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[shaitan]

So...how about that no-sniper day Wednesday, wasn't that fun? Tank battles all day, it was glorious. :D Had some get mad at me over it, but the server had 0 people for quite awhile prior.

As you noticed vehicle shells are on, limit is 15. Get out there and do some masses! I expect to see at least one orca/apache mass, Gozy. xD

This Sunday, Nov 19th, I'll set it to the "mostly vanilla" settings we have used in the past(limited ammo too if possible). Would that be acceptable?

[WNxH3adSh00t]

Yes please but don't remove the snipers.

Seriously snipers have such an important role in Ren, not just screwing around in tuns but killing off techs/hotties repairing stuff and being a nuisance towards arties/mlrs.

 

You saw what happened in that Mesa game where nod stomped us with arties just because we couldn't kill them(cause techs).

Edited November 17, 2017 by WNxH3adSh00t

[shaitan]

Blame the team on that, gdi just gave up with repairing on the first arty wave. They only had to get through that and then it's an even game.

[WNxH3adSh00t]

We all know how hard it is to break through teched arties without jets.

GDI will mostly use meds so there doesn't need to be that many snipers on Nod compared to GDI.

[AHHAHAHAHAHHAHXDDDD]

12 minutes ago, WNxH3adSh00t said:

Yes please but don't remove the snipers.

Seriously snipers have such an important role in Ren, not just screwing around in tuns but killing off techs/hotties repairing stuff and being a nuisance towards arties/mlrs.

 

You saw what happened in that Mesa game where nod stomped us with arties just because we couldn't kill them(cause techs).

What he said

[Goztow]

I liked it though I didn't have that much time to play. Orca and apa seemed a bit op. 

[masscarriers]

1 hour ago, NickK said:

What he said

+1

[Guest rackz]

Low-Gravity weekend.

just take the objects.ddb from (Mars.mix) and set it to main/global objects.ddb.

[ehh]

were pics removed too?

sounds cool in theory, yes some snipers can help the game, majority just kill whore though, lets just be honest.

Edited November 17, 2017 by ehh

[Itai795]

Wednesday was fun, but no snipers breaks the game too much. If we want to continue without sniper, some balance is needed. Mostly about orcas/apaches and teched arties.

[dubstar]

I enjoyed it :) pic/rail and pimp weapons were available

 

loving the shells 

 

[WNxH3adSh00t]

Everyone agrees with me shai :v

 

Edited November 17, 2017 by WNxH3adSh00t

[shaitan]

Go read the gamemode.txt link(forum search or the spoiler here) and see who won what maps. You're smoking crack if you think Nod won every map or that raves/pics didn't take out helies.

[11-15-2017] [09:32:11] C&C_Mars.mix 00.04.11 GDI [1/60] All Out War

[11-15-2017] [09:37:11] C&C_Islands.mix 00.04.49 GDI [2/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [09:39:30] C&C_Mars.mix 00.02.09 GDI [3/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [09:48:56] C&C_Mesa.mix 00.09.15 GDI [4/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [09:51:16] C&C_Volcano_Flying.mix 00.02.09 GDI [3/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [09:53:36] C&C_BunkersTS.mix 00.02.09 Nod [2/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [10:27:08] C&C_Under_RxD.mix 00.33.20 Nod [13/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [10:32:40] C&C_Bio.mix 00.05.21 Nod [12/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [10:43:32] C&C_Snow_RxD.mix 00.10.41 GDI [19/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [11:01:28] C&C_Glacier_Flying.mix 00.17.45 GDI [22/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [11:06:25] C&C_Canyon.mix 00.04.45 Nod [20/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [11:14:55] C&C_Complex.mix 00.08.20 GDI [22/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [12:00:04] C&C_Niagra.mix 00.44.56 GDI [29/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [12:14:12] C&C_Tomb.mix 00.13.57 GDI [23/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [12:45:52] C&C_Walls.mix 00.31.29 Nod [27/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [13:28:52] C&C_Field.mix 00.42.49 Nod [24/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [13:38:47] C&C_Islands_RxD.mix 00.09.43 GDI [14/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [13:51:28] C&C_Uphill_RxD.mix 00.12.29 GDI [15/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [13:53:49] C&C_Under.mix 00.02.10 Nod [14/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [13:59:19] C&C_Canyon_RxD.mix 00.05.18 Nod [15/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [14:18:03] C&C_Volcano.mix 00.18.33 Nod [21/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [14:56:40] C&C_City_Flying.mix 00.38.24 GDI [30/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [15:10:58] C&C_Complex.mix 00.14.00 Nod [26/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [15:19:38] C&C_Walls_Flying.mix 00.00.58 GDI [1/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [16:04:46] C&C_Islands.mix 00.44.48 Nod [21/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [16:07:16] C&C_Mars.mix 00.02.09 GDI [20/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [16:20:03] C&C_Mesa.mix 00.12.27 Nod [20/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [16:29:09] C&C_Volcano_Flying.mix 00.08.45 Nod [18/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [16:31:35] C&C_BunkersTS.mix 00.02.09 GDI [16/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [16:34:02] C&C_Under_RxD.mix 00.02.09 Nod [14/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [16:45:58] C&C_Bio.mix 00.11.37 GDI [17/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [16:53:48] C&C_Snow_RxD.mix 00.07.28 Nod [22/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [17:39:10] C&C_Glacier_Flying.mix 00.45.01 Nod [18/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [17:45:55] C&C_Canyon.mix 00.06.23 Nod [10/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [17:52:00] C&C_Complex.mix 00.05.44 GDI [11/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [18:18:13] C&C_Niagra.mix 00.25.54 GDI [14/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [18:29:56] C&C_Tomb.mix 00.11.20 GDI [15/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [18:32:25] C&C_Walls.mix 00.02.09 GDI [15/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [19:17:33] C&C_Field.mix 00.44.51 Nod [19/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [19:23:00] C&C_Islands_RxD.mix 00.05.10 Nod [13/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [19:38:46] C&C_Uphill_RxD.mix 00.15.34 Nod [10/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [19:56:38] C&C_Under.mix 00.17.36 Nod [8/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [21:27:34] C&C_Canyon_RxD.mix 01.01.50 Nod [2/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [21:34:21] C&C_Islands.mix 00.06.31 Nod [2/60] All Out War
[11-15-2017] [21:39:47] C&C_Mars.mix 00.05.12 GDI [3/60] Marathon
[11-15-2017] [21:44:54] C&C_Mesa.mix 00.04.53 GDI [2/60] Marathon

[u00fzTar]

2 hours ago, masscarriers said:

+1

+2

Must be an idea of any who got owned to much by Headshots
Its part of the game accept it. You said no racism right?

[masscarriers]

I read the log, here's my 2 cents:

Nod won EVERY under and field games. That's because they're open field and it's efficient to snipe techs/arts from far away. No snipers means a bunch of arts can shell the GDI entrance from far away without fear of getting severely punished. PICs don't shoot far enough to be efficient against them, neither are meds and even less mammies. MRLSs would be decent if not for the fact that they somehow die very, very quickly even when teched when there's enough arts around.

It's also the type of game that gathers a large number of players, and stalemates are hard to break short of the classic "teched arts push". I've seen lots of Field games where 2-3 GDI snipers would take the end of the field right off the bat and destroy arts/techs before they can turn the corner. They can't shoot the snipers from that far, so they retreat and leave some more time for GDI to cross the field and get in range to establish a blocade. Worse : If Nod controls the tunnel, they can still sneak a rave up there to snipe the hotties. PICs lack the range to do the same when arts are pounding WF from the end of the field.

On the other side, GDI won a lot of Mesa games. That's because the "teched arts push" is traditionally countered by mrls/meds/mammies rather than snipers because of the way the cavern is made. Snipers can't snipe techs there or get hurt badly by arts. The advantage here is that since the cavern is so cramped, arties have to expose themselves in order to shoot the WF/Bar, where GDI tanks can get good shots at them. GDI can however establish a solid "cavern" control and pound PP/air rather easily. As opposed to Field/Under, snipers just don't play a big role in this matchup except for the odd one on the bridge or on one of the sides.

Same can be said about Canyon and complex, these maps are too cramped where the actual fighting takes place to have snipers shine against arts. GDI tanks can get a clear shot at them straight out of da WF.

[Itai795]

Niagra without snipers was great today, should be kept this way

[shaitan]

The one Field I did with them was a very close match, they wrecked WF easy, but took them awhile to finish it.

[ehh]

2 hours ago, masscarriers said:

I read the log, here's my 2 cents:

Nod won EVERY under and field games. That's because they're open field and it's efficient to snipe techs/arts from far away. No snipers means a bunch of arts can shell the GDI entrance from far away without fear of getting severely punished. PICs don't shoot far enough to be efficient against them, neither are meds and even less mammies. MRLSs would be decent if not for the fact that they somehow die very, very quickly even when teched when there's enough arts around.

It's also the type of game that gathers a large number of players, and stalemates are hard to break short of the classic "teched arts push". I've seen lots of Field games where 2-3 GDI snipers would take the end of the field right off the bat and destroy arts/techs before they can turn the corner. They can't shoot the snipers from that far, so they retreat and leave some more time for GDI to cross the field and get in range to establish a blocade. Worse : If Nod controls the tunnel, they can still sneak a rave up there to snipe the hotties. PICs lack the range to do the same when arts are pounding WF from the end of the field.

On the other side, GDI won a lot of Mesa games. That's because the "teched arts push" is traditionally countered by mrls/meds/mammies rather than snipers because of the way the cavern is made. Snipers can't snipe techs there or get hurt badly by arts. The advantage here is that since the cavern is so cramped, arties have to expose themselves in order to shoot the WF/Bar, where GDI tanks can get good shots at them. GDI can however establish a solid "cavern" control and pound PP/air rather easily. As opposed to Field/Under, snipers just don't play a big role in this matchup except for the odd one on the bridge or on one of the sides.

Same can be said about Canyon and complex, these maps are too cramped where the actual fighting takes place to have snipers shine against arts. GDI tanks can get a clear shot at them straight out of da WF.

Sounds like what usually happens with snipers anyway, just more fun.

Nod has always had 60+ % winrate on field and under, whilst gdi has the advantage on mesa.

nod rekts complex too, stats for games going longer on complex would be cool though, most nod wins are nod getting control early and throttling gdi.

You could always just remove the ramjet instead.

[dippy]

Removing snipers is silly. They're part of a balanced game, and some people enjoy that part of the gameplay. Removing them because they annoy you is a terrible reason to do it as well - if they're annoying you, combat them with snipers of your own and/or shell them.

Arty whores annoy the shit out of me, but we're not removing arties....?

[Goztow]

What I noticed was that there was so much less drama and hate. No insults, no-one accusing others of cheating. 

[dippy]

Can we remove this please? It's dumb and players are complaining.

[dippy]

1 hour ago, Goztow said:

What I noticed was that there was so much less drama and hate. No insults, no-one accusing others of cheating. 

Yes, because cheating is associate with sniping. That doesn't justify removing snipers as a way to stop complaints.

[u00fzTar]

How I heard, Snipers are still disabled on Niagra.
So whats next step?

#Howtoruinagame

[shaitan]

It was set that way for 11 hours and the lasttime was months ago. It isn't the end of the world you guys. You can handle it, just like you can handle this Sunday's "mostly vanilla" day. When was the lasttime for that, anyone remember?

Who said anything about removing snipers totally? That isn't going to happen. Period. It gives you guys something to do, I'm not stupid.

If you ever noticed I always do this on my days off so I can watch how things go and help the side I think will lose. 

Two maps that stood out where it was awesome to play were Glacier_Flying and Niagra. I'm keeping it that way on Niagra, it adds a whole other dynamic to the map.

If I can get blacky or wd to change recon/TowHumvee prices, that'd be great. Or if someone could send me a leveledit that'll work on my win7(all the old ones/new 4.0-4.5 just crash on startup without an error dump), I could try an figure out objects editing for prices of them.

 

[dippy]

I just can't understand your logic.

Snipers are a part of balanced gameplay. It is the gameplay preference of a lot of people and so it is annoying for those people to be forced into playing in a different way. Imagine the uproar if we removed a certain vehicle for a while?

Your opinion that it makes the game better is completely subjective. Any one gameplay strategy can be singled out, scrutinised and called annoying / frustrating / overpowered. It's when you combine those gameplay styles that the game becomes balanced and interesting.

Again - arty whores give me the complete shits. I can just envisage people at their computers, barely watching the game, holding down their mouse button. Thrilling. In fact we just finished a game of Under where two arties sat at the back of the Nod base, spamming the entrance. Annoying - so why aren't we removing them as well?

It's definitely not the end of the world. It just defies logic.