Squads

[Iran]

2 minutes ago, masscarriers said:

But you know that ain't going to happen though. Same squad(s) will form and there's no way for players to stop it from happening.

How can that happen when players are on different teams?

[mdogg1108]

Just reduce the amount of players and bring squads back... even doing what Iran said is better than nothing..

All I gotta say is if squads don't come back I will make every game for my opponents a living hell and I will do my best to dominate every god damn game with my clan mates and friends just to prove a damn point.

[shaitan]

Iran: "Closest is "RemixSquads", but that takes the point away of squads, and has the potential for you guys to abuse !squadchat being on the opposite teams." What will they do on opposite teams? Tell the other side what's going on of course. With the recent string of bug abusing, I really have no faith in it not happening. :/

I have watched the squad users destroy the other team(s) for a long time now, then the other team rage quits. Can you honestly say that does not happen? 

Limiting the player size wont fix the problem(5 was the lowest from last year because of all the pitchforks back then *looking at you mdogg*), the problem is it never turns off after X amount of maps in a row. It's not pretty on my mickey mouse fix, but it may work when its done.

You've been doing enough of that with your squads mdogg, that's part of the reason why. 

*edit* They're on with 3 max atm. Can you guys disband the squad so you're only squadded for 2 maps in a row?

[Iran]

I can write some custom code either as dragonade plugin or show what modification needs to be done to dragonade itself so the squads automatically disband on map end I think. Would that be okay with 5 squad size? Then what you would have:

- Squad is formed with 5 players 

- Map ends, the squad is automatically disbanded

- Team remix works.. so the players will be on different teams like normally

- New squad can be created

 

Would you feel about trying that out if possible? 

[Iran]

Looking at the Dragonade code I think I can do it as a simple plugin.

[shaitan]

Not every map, it takes away the point of it. Can you make it so a person can squad for two maps, then have 1-2 cooldown maps per person? Configurable until we can get a good setting.

The three settings wd made work fine as they are(page one here).

[mdogg1108]

I love how I'm deemed head squad abuser yet I've played like no renegade the past 6 months cause of classes. 

 

 

[Goztow]

Cool down is useless people will rejoin with a different nick. 

[shaitan]

I love how you don't automatically get what you want then threaten to fuck things up. 

You were the one last year front-lining the pitchfork brigade over 3-4 limit squads.

I said you were partially the reason why. If you don't want me to single you out, then don't say I swept the whole issue under the rug when I have been trying to find an alternative to fully turning it off. That shit takes me time, because I don't know wtf I'm doing truthfully.

[Iran]

47 minutes ago, shaitan said:

Not every map, it takes away the point of it. Can you make it so a person can squad for two maps, then have 1-2 cooldown maps per person? Configurable until we can get a good setting.

The three settings wd made work fine as they are(page one here).

I can do that but that would need a lot of logic so I'm afraid that will introduce bugs.

I don't really see the issue with creating new squads every map, other that you won't be able to teamstack.

[shaitan]

If we squad on Field, we're in a squad that map...and the same team next map(Under for example). If it gets remixed you're not in a squad on Under. That's what people want is to be on the same team at the start of the next map for quick rushing.

[mdogg1108]

9 minutes ago, shaitan said:

I love how you don't automatically get what you want then threaten to fuck things up. 

You were the one last year front-lining the pitchfork brigade over 3-4 limit squads.

I said you were partially the reason why. If you don't want me to single you out, then don't say I swept the whole issue under the rug when I have been trying to find an alternative to fully turning it off. That shit takes me time, because I don't know wtf I'm doing truthfully.

I mean sure I definitely am part of the "for squads" crew, I'm here to voice my opinions.

You also have to realize that some of us like to play with our friends and by taking this away it makes it so much more difficult. If an old buddy of mine who plays renegade four a year comes online, then I want to play as much renegade with him/her as I can and the squad function makes that happen.

It's also kind of annoying that you know it's just up to you when this stuff gets turned on and off. I talked to Manuel and he had no idea what was going on with squads, and he's an administrator.

Shai, you know we all trust your judgement and we all appreciate all the hard work you do, but this is just one of those situations I can't let go lightly. I hope you find a resolution that benefits us all. Don't take any of this the wrong way cause you sound super pissed.

[shaitan]

I'm not even mad, mdogg. You were being a dick to me, I'm being one right back. Welcome to Rencorner where people are trollers. Hell, there's even a Ren Mod rule with this in it if you read between the lines on one of them.

When squads or any other tool/bug/feature is screwing up server gameplay I will do whatever is necessary at the time to stop it. I'm looking at the over-all when it comes to that thing. It is team stacking, "legitimate", but stacking nonetheless.

[mdogg1108]

Mod rule on what? All I want is answers don't go calling me a troll....

All I ask is you reconsider, 5-6 people squads is ridiculous I give you that, but <10 players (2 people squads) and >10 players (3 people squads) I think doesn't make a big difference. I don't think you can consider 3 people on one team, when 2 of them would end up on the same team regardless, that big of a deal.

 

edit: obviously from your posts your considering something so thank you

Edited December 21, 2017 by mdogg1108

[XpZFuzzy]

Why do I feel Teamspeak lost it's original purpose?

Squad is an awesome feature, yes. But it shouldn't stop people from playing together. I cannot see how being in a squad is team stacking when you are on the same team next map after team remixed and balanced. I had a discussion about this squad feature to one of my ol ren friends and he believes the squad should be disbanded after a certain amount of maps, and I agree

[shaitan]

Iran, how about making it so it turns off on certain maps, using a list of maps in Da.ini:
[NoSquadMaps]
C&C_Mars.mix
C&C_Blah.mix
That would lower any logic, wouldn't it? Frankly this is what I'm doing in rcbot(next up was trying to figure out $calc in irc). A plugin would be better, wouldn't have to make batch files to copy/rename/move .ini's and /reload. My way has a chance for things to go tits up if someone edits the .ini and doesn't edit the originals I'd be using elsewhere.

[Iran]

It's too much work to do without introducing any bugs/lots of testing

Btw can you set nur to 60 on the aow/marathon server? It helps a lot on the sniper one

[Itai795]

Have to voice my opinion and say that I'm really enjoying the squad option. Turning it off completely is too radical. Tune the max-players-in-a-squad against number-of-players-ingame till everybody is satisfied.

[shaitan]

That's funny Iran, it was 60 after eric first brought it up and that was when you and him bitched the loudest.

Stop testing that on a euro server and expecting it to work on this usa one. I had a copy-mara test one up for a month and not one of you guys joined to find a good setting.

[Blacky]

On 12/21/2017 at 9:11 AM, Iran said:

Looking at the Dragonade code I think I can do it as a simple plugin.

 

One of the cool parts of da is you can replace existing game features. Basically just copy pate da_squads in a plugin and make your changes. then replace the feature for the plugin.

 

On 12/21/2017 at 9:23 AM, shaitan said:

Not every map, it takes away the point of it. Can you make it so a person can squad for two maps, then have 1-2 cooldown maps per person? Configurable until we can get a good setting.

The three settings wd made work fine as they are(page one here).

 

On 12/21/2017 at 10:13 AM, Iran said:

I can do that but that would need a lot of logic so I'm afraid that will introduce bugs.

I don't really see the issue with creating new squads every map, other that you won't be able to teamstack.

 

You could move all the players in the squad on map load to the wait list then delete all members. then they wont be on a squad until next game. Would have to try it out to see what it would break. Best way its to have them disband and create another squad like you said but more convenient for the play to automatically pick back up with the wait list.

 

On 12/21/2017 at 3:07 PM, shaitan said:

Iran, how about making it so it turns off on certain maps, using a list of maps in Da.ini:
[NoSquadMaps]
C&C_Mars.mix
C&C_Blah.mix
That would lower any logic, wouldn't it? Frankly this is what I'm doing in rcbot(next up was trying to figure out $calc in irc). A plugin would be better, wouldn't have to make batch files to copy/rename/move .ini's and /reload. My way has a chance for things to go tits up if someone edits the .ini and doesn't edit the originals I'd be using elsewhere.

 

You can disable/change any da feature or setting per map.

 

[C&C_Field_RxD.mix]
GameMode=Marathon

EnableSquads=1

 

[C&C_Field.mix]
GameMode=AOW

EnableSquads=0

 

[C&C_Uphill_RxD.mix]
GameMode=Marathon

EnableSquads=1

 

Why did you ever lower the net_update_rate shai. It was good as 60. Idk what Eric said to you but he was not complaining it was already at 60.

Iran can I have that code for the duplicate nur command so I can put on the snipe server.

 

[Blacky]

my vs 2013 expired fuck balls.

[Guest rackz]

6 hours ago, BigWrench said:

my vs 2013 expired fuck balls.

huh? wasnt it free? damn its like over 5 years ago since i wrote some code

[n00b31]

Squad limit is 3 right now and that's ok. Keep it as it is now. No automatically disband or NoSquadMap bull shit. Focus your time and energy on other things than fucking up squad system.

[Guest rackz]

19 hours ago, ExEric3 said:

And which one is that server? I saw Snipe, Mara and CW server on WOL. Can u give me permissions on that test server we need have accessed !fds cmd to type directly to FDS console commands and we can make again tests like on Euro dedi.

there was a rencorner test server, i think its that one

[shaitan]

You really think 3 people can't fuck up the server gameplay with being on the same team at the start, having private chats. That's comical, because the games I've seen wrecked lately are 3-person squads. Going to try out Blacky's idea, that's great if it works.

Blacky, Nur was always 20 here, set to 25 for some reason then last year 30. I set it to 60 in this topic on Nov 20. After a few weeks put it back to 30 due to my last post in here. It's 60 again by someone.