Rule Debation

[Noddie]

Off my most recent ban, I figured we kick it off right and get some clarification. Seeing how our last incident went so well with the hill camp, and I foresee this happening in the near future. I'm bound to hear certain select mods state this is a tunnel beacon. Which I strongly disagree but, lets do this right so that the RULES are clear this time. For the record there will be plenty more Exposal of different tactics that aren't made clear in the rules. Im doing this the right way now and lets just make sure were all on the same page.

[Vultima]

This is obviously not allowed.

Tunnel beacons were named tunnel beacons because on maps like field, in the classic rotation, that was simply the name they were given for an inaccessible beacon, but more accurately, it's basically any beacon which is an unreasonable distance from the building, and having to leave your base to defend a beacon is definitely unreasonable..

There are so many things in this game which aren't allowed, sadly the rules don't include everything, nor will they ever will do, things will be missed, but it doesn't mean its ok...

A bit of common sense goes a long way..think of it from a balancing point of view too.

1. Can GDI do it back? Nope, that's unfair probably not allowed then.

2. Can I normally do this is or it just because of the map?

[shaitan]

Never been allowed here.

[masscarriers]

If it damages a building in a place like that, it's not allowed.

[Noddie44]

GDI can do it though to the Nod Ref? I mean when I get home later I'll show you a bunch of things that are just CREATIVE placement. As for "common sense" so your statement is pretty much stating because one team can do it and the other cannot it's against the rules? If that's the case I feel like Nod's Stealth should be against the rules, or GDI's Gunner should be against the rules?

[Sheila]

Do you really expect people to go outside of their base in order to search for nukes? It will probably take more than 30 seconds even to reach that nuke point, leaving no time to disarm it. They don't even allow ledge beacons on this map and the thing you try is far worse than that. Personally I don't think I would enjoy that and I really doubt that other players would enjoy it either.

Edited September 23, 2019 by Sheila

[shaitan]

You do know that nukes haven't worked in that video since RR scripts 3.4 days(they used to be bigger back then)?

 

All of the other placements you find will fall under 'ledge/tunnel beacons/glitch'.

 

[Noddie44]

Ahem @AnubisOrr since we're here to have fun with a basis of rules. I'd just like to clairfy which of my stops are allowed in the rules and which are not. Seeing how none of these besides the Obby placement one is specified. Seeing how no "nukes/ions are allowed ontop of buildings" but this is a flying map so, technically I can walk to the top of a building. Anyways let's begin. Got to be honest AnubisOrr the War Factory one has to be my favorite! Which one is yours? What map should we go to next? I'm taking requests.

[shaitan]

We do not allow Ledge beacons nor beacons on top of buildings on ANY map, except Canyon's barracks and WF(where you can jump onto back of wf)

Normal spots on top of the wf are allowed on that map(because there's the stairs/ramp going there). The others will get you disarmed and/or beacon muted.

Golden nuke/ion are not allowed and that's been stated plenty of times on this forum; get rid of them. They're as bright as emittors and disallowed for that same reason. The yellow spongebobs aren't that "bright" so they've always been allowed. Not even the pink/yellow snipering skins are as bright.

P.S. stop trying to test the rules boundaries and just play the game; it's annoying as hell.

[Noddie44]

See I was playing the game before then the rules drastically changed on the spot. Again, not really "testing the rules or boundaries" just need clarification on what rules are allowed you know. Don't want to get banned for something that's not specifically specified. Just doing what is best for the server, everyone loves it here and I'm sure no one wants to get banned for something that was miss understood that's all.

 

So, Walls flying I seen that map has been added which is sweet, promotes teamwork! We're allowed vehicles on center Canyon right? If it's miss understood what I mean I can get ya a video if that'll help. I'm just trying to help, literally.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Noddie44

[Noddie]

Also what about this one? I don't see anything wrong with this ion placement, this is teamwork, Nor a glitch or abuse in anyway. That's clearly not up to me to decide this though so please I would like your input. 

[Manuel857]

I don't see hwy this isn't allowed. Should be fine.

[ehh]

if you can get on the building normally its fine, like that power plant and airship ones are fine.

but if you can only get they by flying an hele and ejecting, thats disallowed.

[masscarriers]

1- Why are you using 2 forums account?

2- No rules drastically changed on the spot. We're not discussing that HC thing again.

3- Are you DJ-EYE-K?

[Vultima]

I mean the airstrip one if it has an elevator is fine, but jumping in on an angle to get your way in...I wouldn't allow that...

I get your trying to be creative with your placement but...99% of these are not allowed.

[Noddie]

@Vultima yet manny states, he sees no problem with it. I get you think I'm trying to be creative. That's not at all what I'm trying to do! Lmao! I'm trying to get all you people on the same page which your proving to me right now YOUR NOT!!! Manny says its ok yet your still stating its not fine cause there's no elevator. So again my MAIN ISSUE being "You mods enforce your own rules as the day goes on" That's bullshit! GET ON THE SAME PAGE!

 

@masscarriers 

1- Ive always had 2 accounts. One on my Phone. One on my computer. Is that an issue sir?

2- No one discussing the HC rule here at all! Either discuss what's legal here with placements and prove my point more being none of you are on the same page or not really interested in what you have to say. The discussion is the rules and what's allowed, not the past where you got but hurt cause I made a fool out of people.

3- I don't even know what the fuck that means?!

P.S Thanks for Unbanning me Manny had to do it last night jackass.

Edited September 25, 2019 by Noddie

[masscarriers]

You are butthurt for us making a fool out of you by banning you for willingly breaking the rules on Hourglass. All this circus and drama isn't for the good of the game or clarifying rules, it has a simple purpose to you:

11 hours ago, Noddie said:

prove my point more being none of you are on the same page

You're still crying because you got smacked for HC and trying to prove (weeks later) that after all you were banned not because of what you did but because mods didn't agree on a rule.

You're not the first troll to start stirring drama around here just for the fun of causing chaos and stretching rules. This is not just about you and your feelings that we weren't fair with you. Don't expect people to be courteous with you when you're treating them like crap.

[WNxH3adSh00t]

Do you not know how to take a ss of your desktop wtf

[ehh]

20 hours ago, Vultima said:

I mean the airstrip one if it has an elevator is fine, but jumping in on an angle to get your way in...I wouldn't allow that...

I get your trying to be creative with your placement but...99% of these are not allowed.

people have always done that tho? is jumping through it with a hotwire not allowed too then?

you can only do it on flying maps, which should have a elevator anyway, they just dont work cause ww didnt finish those maps lol

[Manuel857]

4 hours ago, ehh said:

people have always done that tho? is jumping through it with a hotwire not allowed too then?

you can only do it on flying maps, which should have a elevator anyway, they just dont work cause ww didnt finish those maps lol

Yeah thats why I said its allowed.

[N0]

Yeah guys. glitching is cool on every map.

[Noddie]

@masscarriers you think I'm but hurt? The only thing I'm but hurt about is the fact that you cant even stand by your own word, being.....ESPICALLY when your an ADMIN representing a server

1-Now cause you wasted my time I'm ban you for a week now.

2- You're unbanned now. (when did you go to IRC to do the Unban)

So not only did you unlawful lengthen my ban because I "Wasted your time" but you couldn't even take a minute out of your day to do the unban but on the same day you could reply to my post? So do you not know how to do the commands to "unban" or like @Qjmatrix1 you just play high as a kite?

Again being though, no one he is discussing the HC ban, I broke the rules awesome cool I got banned, awesome cool I agree! I did my time, MORE THAN WHAT I WAS SCHEDULED.

I love how when you send a message I ensure to reply at everything you question or state. You ignore statements of mine because you know you're a failure. In the end you think I'm trolling when all is said and done, I'm here to make the ONLY well known server left a better one but your arrogance and useless gaming skills cant allow that. You cant promote team work because probably bottom line is you cant play with a team. I

'm not looking for people to be courteous to me, and vise versa you lost my respect the way you handled yourself to begin with, I wouldn't doubt if you either.....

A. Told Shaitian if he sided with me or if Manuel sided with me you'd resign, you strike me as that kind of person.

B. Make a post else where cause I'm sure you have a mod section stating keep me banned or some shit like that.

C. Had a group discussion with the whole mod crew about me.

You strike me as that kind of person the way you carry yourself. Bottom line is here, IDC if any of your are courteous to me, I don't care if any of you respect me, I don't care if any of you like me! I care that you carry yourselves in a way to represent the WHOLE community in the game we have all played for so many years! All of you being on different pages doesn't represent RenCorner well at all!

10 hours ago, masscarriers said:

 This is not just about you and your feelings that we weren't fair with you.

You're DAMN FUCKING RIGHT its not just about me and my feelings, ITS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY! AKA last night which @shaitan was in the server for!!!! "@AnubisOrr !warn LT. ASSKICKER invis"

I defended LT. ASSKICKER who quite frankly I don't really like myself, but besides the point Anubis Warns him for something OSTKSean repeatedly does on a normal basis WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE that NOTHING EVER GETS DONE ABOUT.

Edited September 26, 2019 by Noddie

[N0]

o h

 

[Vultima]

Alright I guess we gotta make the rule book 800 pages long to account for every fringe case in ren.

Don't use me a battling post because I didn't agree with manny, it's a discussion, that's what happens when people are discussing things, that's what we're trying to do here aren't we, or are you just here to discuss your "unlawful" ban as you put it cos that's what it looks like.

My stance on it is I wouldn't allow it, but if someone(or a discussion as this is) tells me it's fine, then it's fine, and il abide by that, for example, I hate the fact that E+Railgun isn't allowed as I think it's just part of the game, it's not a glitch, it's something that occurs very naturally in the game, but as it's a rule, even if I don't agree with it, il enforce it.

Sure some mods will have a different take and may accidentally enforce a rule differently it happens time to time when people aren't on the same page, if I hadn't been aware of this as I was not, I might have disarmed that beacon in-game, that's not the end of the world is it, the next time it happens after no doubt a fuss being kicked up about it, it'll be fine, we don't need an 84 page discussion on it.

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 I care that you carry yourselves in a way to represent the WHOLE community in the game we have all played for so many years! All of you being on different pages doesn't represent RenCorner well at all!

I don't get why people have this idea that mods have to be these perfect people that don't ever make errors in judgement, mods DO make mistakes thats a fact, when we add new mods, they made mistakes, when we have people returning to the game from having a break, they make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, nobody is denying that.

But there's always people like you around that when someone slips up, you gotta create drama from it, the scenario hasn't even happened yet and your creating drama from it, like we're a big unorganised mess, but we aren't, all you're using this discussion for is to pick problems with RC, that your using to back channel your argument into how "wrong"(it wasn't), your ban is.

 

[Noddie]

Finally! Someone is learning!!!! Finally!!!! See you made multiple VALID points there but also multiple INVALID points. Lets start with the positive!

1. Everyone is human I know this mistakes get made! My point here is though!!!! When the mistake is made, DONT HIDE BEHIND THE FACT THAT YOU FUCKED UP! (you speaking in general statement being whoever fucks up). AKA Me!!! I admitted ok you stated that the HC rule was in fact against the rules. I played out my ban didn't evade, waiting and did my time because I ABUSED THE RULES.

7 minutes ago, Vultima said:

 

I don't get why people have this idea that mods have to be these perfect people that don't ever make errors in judgement, mods DO make mistakes thats a fact, when we add new mods, they made mistakes, when we have people returning to the game from having a break, they make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, nobody is denying that.

But there's always people like you around that when someone slips up, you gotta create drama from it, the scenario hasn't even happened yet and your creating drama from it, like we're a big unorganised mess, but we aren't, all you're using this discussion for is to pick problems with RC, that your using to back channel your argument into how "wrong"(it wasn't), your ban is.

 

2. The "Drama" you speak of isn't created from me.....the scenario hasn't happened yet correct! See the drama is and was made (back to the HC scenario) half of the mods where under the understanding what I did was legal and in the logs of that day multiple mods told me it was fine when I was doing it earlier! AKA being a mistake on there part for telling me it was allowed and then later that day telling me it wasn't allowed. So therefore I acted out of context of how I was being treated. So because of the way I acted AFTER being told it was legal, then 3 hours later being told it was illegal. I got banned and still took (hear this word out, this is a big one) ACCOUNTABILITY for my own actions and did my ban and my time. Where as NONE of the mods that were involved took ACCOUNTABILTY for their mistakes that were apart of that! I don't agree with a lot of the rules stated period, but if their written in the rules CLEARLY and ENFORCED by ALL MODS THE SAME WAY I can follow them. The difference with that situation which NO ONE WANTS TO COME OUT AND STATE THEY UNDERSTAND is simply this. They were enforced by half the mods and allowed by the other half. Lets go back to the big word ACCOUNTABILTY if I'm going to be forced to be held to my own actions so should everyone else! That's this "discussion"

 

Now, as for your "I didn't agree with manny" that's just it. You might not agree with it, but here where ABUSIVE POWERS come into play!!!! If you don't know if its legal or illegal and its not clearly stated in the rules to be illegal I.E My airstrip nuke. YOU SHOULDNT GO IN AND DISARM! You bring your fucking ass to these forums and you post and get all the mods on the same fucking page before you go using your powers to disarm, cause just like you said, "If I go and disarm that on IRC, its not the end of the world is it" now I'm going say to that, "if you let that ion hit, its not the end of the world"

Now onto your Invalid points......

1. Again NEVER STATED MY BAN WAS WRONG. I stated YOUR RULES WERE WRONG.

2. If half of your mods are on different pages, you cant be organized wtf? Think about that statement, and look at it from a general consensus. I.E. You would have "Disarmed from IRC" something manny would have allowed. How is that making you and ORGANIZED group?

3. Finally, and Last time I'm going go and say this again, THIS ISNT ABOUT THE HC situation. If were going use it as an example that's different but its not "using it as a back channel my argument....ect." its not about that at all..... You fools aren't reading the true context behind this, that was clearly stated yet again in my above statements! I ABUSED THE RULES I GOT BANNED AWESOME, COOL, THANKS! Now lets move on from the HC scenario!