{os}manual Mode Abuse walls c4 mute

[MateNone]

Mod Abuse {os}manual  mute me while playing cc-walls 4/30/2021 353 PST muted w out warring or reason just so she/he can win.

[nameismud]

Why don't you just stop mining, and manulla didn't do that. It was also on dawnreid and you were mining the gdi turrets and we were losing mines at ref as a result which was being rushed constantly. You were disarmed several times on the previous map (walls).

[N0]

Typical hack n stacks, WHATS NEW? WHY EVEN PLAY?

[shaitan]

How bad was this mining?

[AprilWar]

Does !c4mute only applies to proxies or remotes/timeds too?

[Manuel857]

4 hours ago, AprilWar said:

Does !c4mute only applies to proxies or remotes/timeds too?

I think its everything which is dumb tbh. !c4mute should be only for proxies and I could've sworn we had a command for it.

[AprilWar]

Well that's lame. Not being able to throw c4s makes anyone pretty much handicap at ren. Also, was anybody else in the team actually complaining about Mate's mining? (and not just making fun of him).  I didn't see anything in the F2 chat, and Mate did get some c4/proxy kills early in that match.

[GetPastMe]

If 3-4 people targeting WF with arts, feeding the enemy team credits while their refinery is dead is NOT team hampering, then I don't see how Mate's shitty mining is team hampering.  How is one of these activities worthy of mod action but not the either?

Inconsistent in my opinion.

 

[Forithow]

3 hours ago, AprilWar said:

Well that's lame. Not being able to throw c4s makes anyone pretty much handicap at ren. Also, was anybody else in the team actually complaining about Mate's mining? (and not just making fun of him).  I didn't see anything in the F2 chat, and Mate did get some c4/proxy kills early in that match.

I was constantly trying to remine ref and bar tunnels, there was one point where I was at bar tunnel and the ref tunnel mines were gone, 'cause someone was overmining >:c but I didn't know who (so I guess it was matenone in the end), and I saw some nod players walking to the ref, I tried to get to ref to save it but I got shotgunned in the face by a shotgunner inside the ref rip and then we lost the ref :( 

 

Props to GBR for headshotting me far away with a shotgun :v 

Edited May 1, 2021 by Forithow

[shaitan]

12 hours ago, GetPastMe said:

If 3-4 people targeting WF with arts, feeding the enemy team credits while their refinery is dead is NOT team hampering, then I don't see how Mate's shitty mining is team hampering.  How is one of these activities worthy of mod action but not the either?

Inconsistent in my opinion.

 

Really isn't, that's why I wanted to know how bad it was. If Mate's running around mining the shit out of everything just to be a troll, then it may be an issue, otherwise; it isn't something we get into.

[Itai795]

He doesn't do that to be a troll.

But if there is a team consensus to one mining strategy, with a player (or more than one) who dedicates a significant amount of his (their) game time to make sure base is well mined according to that stratgey, only to discover mines keep disappearing due to someone wasting mines on other strategy - I consider it as a low level of THing. I wouldn't kick or ban someone for that, but would private messaging explaining what's wrong, if that doesn't work would do !disarm. It solves all the problems, except for matenone who keeps shitty mining (which is not related to any mining strategy).

[He4dSh0t]

First off bad mining is def th
nod has an advantage with sbhes dont even dick around and say its not when they can easily disrupt with nuking or building c4
mining is far to important and especially on walls but matenone was constantly ruining the mining; he does on every map.... everytime he fucks up the mining 

[GetPastMe]

6 hours ago, Itai795 said:

He doesn't do that to be a troll.

But if there is a team consensus to one mining strategy, with a player (or more than one) who dedicates a significant amount of his (their) game time to make sure base is well mined according to that stratgey, only to discover mines keep disappearing due to someone wasting mines on other strategy - I consider it as a low level of THing.

This is what I was getting at when I said it seems inconsistent.  There was a team consensus (at least in part) about the arts team hampering by feeding points.  But if we are not going down the route of "team consensus" on what constitutes team hampering then we can't do it here either in regards to mate's mining, which is what Itai795 seems to support here.

Now I tend to think it is team hampering (mines and the arts I mentioned), but I also see Shaitan's point a couple weeks back saying we don't do the "team consensus" thing.  It probably isn't something we should be doing as it seems a slippery slope.

I don't have a good answer one way or the other, I'm just asking where do you draw the line?

[AprilWar]

Not a mod but... Regardless, !c4mute is a pretty powerful command rendering any player pretty much useless. You shouldn't get to just use that one slightly, unless you want people to play in Interim Apex permanently instead. !disarm is fine IMO, but !c4mute is a whole different level. 8/10 it's more likely that Mate will actually kill some players/tanks using remotes/timed and yeah, 2/10 he will mess up the mine count. He's killed me plenty of times using remotes/timeds PRECISELY because they are in such random stupid places (and I'm not advocating for people to mine in the middle of field). IDK if anybody has noticed but his aim is finally improving a bit.

[nameismud]

31 minutes ago, GetPastMe said:

This is what I was getting at when I said it seems inconsistent.  There was a team consensus (at least in part) about the arts team hampering by feeding points.  But if we are not going down the route of "team consensus" on what constitutes team hampering then we can't do it here either in regards to mate's mining, which is what Itai795 seems to support here.

Now I tend to think it is team hampering (mines and the arts I mentioned), but I also see Shaitan's point a couple weeks back saying we don't do the "team consensus" thing.  It probably isn't something we should be doing as it seems a slippery slope.

I don't have a good answer one way or the other, I'm just asking where do you draw the line?

Shouldn't have to lose a building due to bad mining. In the scope of things it's not that big of a deal like you said, but people who spend their time trying to protect the base by mining are right in being annoyed by it. When buildings die a lot of people end up rq which creates more problems.

 

6 minutes ago, AprilWar said:

Not a mod but... Regardless, !c4mute is a pretty powerful command rendering any player pretty much useless. You shouldn't get to just use that one slightly, unless you want people to play in Interim Apex permanently instead. !disarm is fine IMO, but !c4mute is a whole different level. 8/10 it's more likely that Mate will actually kill some players/tanks using remotes/timed and yeah, 2/10 he will mess up the mine count. He's killed me plenty of times using remotes/timeds PRECISELY because they are in such random stupid places (and I'm not advocating for people to mine in the middle of field). IDK if anybody has noticed but his aim is finally improving a bit.

It's mate, you can type !disarm and then have to remine again and again because he will not stop. If there was a command to just mute proximity mines I would have used that.

[Forithow]

4 hours ago, notsocurrent said:

It's mate, you can type !disarm and then have to remine again and again because he will not stop. If there was a command to just mute proximity mines I would have used that.

There was a way to do a proxy mute on someone, because I remember using it on Matenone before and he essentially didn't have any proxies as hotwire/technician but still could use remotes/timed, but I don't remember what that command is

[InspectorGadget]

as a frequent miner i encourage you guys to disarm people who are fucking up the mining, it´s one of the most annoying things in renegade for me. having a way just to disable proxies, but not motes/timed c4 would be amazing because i also agree that it´s quite a big deal to prevent someone from using those.

 

[Manuel857]

6 hours ago, Forithow said:

There was a way to do a proxy mute on someone, because I remember using it on Matenone before and he essentially didn't have any proxies as hotwire/technician but still could use remotes/timed, but I don't remember what that command is

Pretty sure it was !pmute but it's not working anymore.

[Vultima]

!c4locking MateNone won't have any impact in his ability, its harsh but he just is THAT bad of a player nobody will notice a drop in performance.

Like if someone makes mistakes mining when they are new at ren SURE, its fine, but the game is nearly 20 years old, and he REFUSES to listen, so PMing him and telling him how to be better, also pointless.

[InspectorGadget]

matenone isn´t that useless tbh, at least not if he wants. so i disagree that it´s not an issue to take c4 away from him.  if he just sits in a tank it´s not even that bad having him in a team, the issues start when he decides he wants to mine.... but yeah i don´t think trying to explain it to him has any merit

[Joejjj80]

On walls a few weeks ago he was throwing mines randomly in the field some around tunnel entrance some just on the ground.   He was asked to stop, his reason was an sbh might accidentally step on one.  So instead of having the tunnel and the entrance mined it was just random mines thrown here and there.  This is a consistant play with him him when he is not in the mood to play well with others.  I have seen it on many games.  It is not a strategy it's a TH move to piss off players on his team.  Most of the time when he is doing this he is actually on his way to do something else and just starts dropping them here and there. Some do this by berating others players for thier bad gameplay but that does not hamper the team, this does.  Mate is a good player and often times makes a postive improvement on the team unless of course he is deciding to be a douche of the day.  I only respond to this because my email has been blowing up with notifications on this stupid ass topic.    catch him a few more times then permenantly c4 mute him.   If he doesn't then leave him alone.