Time to ban invsi-huggers

[N0]

Imagine trying this hard so early in the day

[RmiN]

I see there's some lag going on. To me it looked like invis.

[AprilWar]

your not going to get anybody banned for this unless your nick is AprilWar

[nameismud]

8 hours ago, AprilWar said:

your not going to get anybody banned for this unless your nick is AprilWar

+ Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf etc..

[Vultima]

Looks laggy af

[BiLLaBoNg]

On 4/12/2022 at 12:14 AM, AprilWar said:

your not going to get anybody banned for this unless your nick is AprilWar

you can glitch the game and get banned, but if you're racist you get a mute. #unmutewoj2022

[trunkskgb]

I mean, you took 100 damage and I didn't see a damn thing. Classic Wall-Invis-Hug, whatever. Lag present? Maybe, but you were hit by someone in a position/location where they could use invis-hug to their advantage, and they did.

This needs to be taken seriously, and addressed properly. Banning people caught, with evidence like this is where I would start.

Good video frenzy.

[Vultima]

10 hours ago, BiLLaBoNg said:

you can glitch the game and get banned, but if you're racist you get a mute. #unmutewoj2022

Because if he's talking shit, silencing him is an appropriate moderation tool that mitigates that no? If we banned every player that ever said anything racist, we'd have no players left, now extend that to being homophobic/anything that isn't socially expectable or to words which are acceptable in one part of the word, and not in another, we'd have even less players left, and this game would have died years ago. 

What happens in other games when people say stuff outside of the terms of service. they get their communications blocked (CS:GO and Dota 2 for example, so thats steams stance), not banned, what happens if you talk shit on facebook/twitter, a timeout, then an eventual ban.

 

If someone is using misusing mines, flaming APCs ect, do we ban for that? No, we have a moderation tool that counters it, !c4lock.

If someone steals vehicles, do we ban for that? No, there is a built in tool players can use to alleviate that, !bind and !lock, there are other tools that help with this !eject.

If someone is misusing !stuck, do we ban for that? We did *cough frenzy*, until we were able to prevent certain players from using !stuck via the !shun command.

 

If you're glitching on the other hand and it can't be mitigated, you don't just "get banned" for a start, you get a warning/kicking/24 hour kick/perma ban, which you step through, based on how prolific you are (which you should know being an ex mod), until you do it over and over and over again, its gets elevated to a ban, due to there being no moderating tool that can mitigate it.

Now apply that logic to everything else where there isn't a tool to mitigate it, b2b, one man wallhop, team hampering, tunnel beacons, sbbo, and more.  Yea do any of those things enough, you'll step through eventually to a perma ban, as we can't prevent it with automated tools.  

The point is there are levels what can be effectively moderated, vs what can't, what can't gets you perma banned, what can, we can moderate, going nuclear isn't always the best option, specially when you have certain people who are so dedicated to the craft of breaking rules if you ban them, they just avoid the ban over and over with VPNs, and ruin countless games *cough frenzy*.

 Even people like that are "forgiven" when enough time goes by, which to pre-empt what your next point probably is about woj being unmuted again is why woj gets unmuted every like, year? Till he ruins itself for him again, then he just get muted again.

[Vultima]

On that note, if we banned everyone every time a 10 second clip was posted on the forums of someone invising, frenzy, april, redpillar, iran, broly, rambo6, headsh00t, billa, reet, chris, tomo, orion, need I go on - would all be banned? Not to mention every single player that has at least 150+ ping.

See

@Fr3nZyYou're literally lagging like hell in the clip, you stand still, open up the chat window THEN your character slides, all this clip shows is you're lagging or the servers lagging which would mean your both lagging, and you take a hit behind a wall.

 

Point is, one 10 second clip, of one occurrence of someone invising one time, isn't gonna get any reaction out of any of the mods.  Feels a bit sus that you're clearly recording ALL the time to capture this, but you only give us a snippet of something that could easily be explained by lag.

[AprilWar]

20 minutes ago, Vultima said:

On that note, if we banned everyone every time a 10 second clip was posted on the forums of someone invising, frenzy, april, redpillar, iran, broly, rambo6, headsh00t, billa, reet, chris, tomo, orion, need I go on - would all be banned?

Yes, that's where you are headed when it comes to certain people in this list. I got perma-banned for exactly this same reason ( a couple of laggy 10 secs clips ). Yet here everyone is pointing out lag, but apparently the benefit of the doubt doesn't apply for everybody. Great standards everybody. Keep it up.

Edited April 13, 2022 by AprilWar

[Vultima]

I might not have the fully story as I wasn't here but...

 

Found the stuff on discord about your ban, from those clips, from your perspective it certainly doesn't look like invis, its just hardcore hugging which presents itself as invis to other players, its basically OsNick playstyle, if you play to hardcore hug as you have in these clips, you're gonna end up invising people and people are gonna bring you up on it, told people about this before, Nick was given kicks when he kept doing this, similar situations to this accounts for like 95% of the invis that happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lKzQ48PMkc&t=4420s
Its this one right? With a couple occurrences in that video alone, coupled with 2 other clips on sand.

 

From what I can see that's...

- Multiple occurrences in 1 day alone of "invis".

- Leaving the game to prevent the enemy team from getting beacon disarm points is also mentioned.

- In the previous weeks before this it seems you were temp banned for glitching a ref kill according to the mod forums along with Geko and Frenzy .

https://youtu.be/6oEgahA08Lc?t=9845
- Then the last instance on the mod forums which is from 10 months before is you tunnel beaconing with red pillar to get a ref kill on field - where you got a 24 hour kick, which is kinda irrelevant since its so old

- To top it off you butting heads with Manual

- Numerous other posts about invis/rule breaking going back quite some time

 

tbh it seems like both you and frenzy break far too many rules, there are even numerous posts about Frenzy invising too, and if that were me, probably a 1 month ban for the pair of you, specially since you guys know better and the history

[Vultima]

^ Was what I was gonna post, but it seems your ban is already only 1 month, its not perm

[BiLLaBoNg]

listen man. i dont make the server messages, but i know i can read and the word 'ban' isn't 'mute'.

[10:00:06] <&RCAOW> Host: [BR] We don't tolerate racism or abuse, you will be banned.

[Vultima]

Are you really gonna bring that point up again? That's just 1 random outdated message, that your entire point last time pivoted on which was totally moot, since again, you were a mod, and you know that isn't true.  You just have a hard on for getting woj banned, personal vendetta.

The message also says 'abuse', does that mean everytime someone says any insult, they get banned? No

In fact, isn't that one of the default messages that Brenbot gives you once you install it first time lol?

[BiLLaBoNg]

and no one has a hard on for getting april banned, right?

its one message that is broadcasted to all players and the staff here look like fucking tools when they dont follow the rules/server messages they have in place. if you want to not make it look like you all support racism, just delete the message or change it from ban to mute. dont need to wait on blacky for that, right lol?

difference between april and woj is one exploits a game and the other is a straight racist. im in line with forgiveness for exploits, but blatant racism/racial slurs over X years warrants a perma ban and woj fits into that bucket. i pushed for that constantly when i was mod - but most, if not all, admins here support racism, it seems and can 'forgive' the disgusting humans that bring that shit to a game. it was admins that would 'forgive' him because he has his head so far up their ass.

Edited April 14, 2022 by BiLLaBoNg

[RmiN]

about the "racism topic" I think the "message" is there to prove a point, we don't want that crap. from what I've heard recently there have been instances where racism was seen to some levels and still the players were forgiven after they proved they have changed. I think the mute is there because there's high chance "he" won't do that again, so it wouldn't be unfair.
I put myself as an example here... It was round 6 years ago, on map under, I used N word without knowing the meaning, I got a direct message "don't say that again" and since then I never used it. (I didn't know the meaning until 2019...)
the story is much different but still if I was banned there then that also would have been unfair to me.

*most of the times a warn, direct message or a simple !qkick will make them realize they are doing sth wrong*

about invis, when there's vid from the person's perspective and they are clearly abusing the bug then there's nothing left to say, "they should know better".
I wouldn't argue about the punishment that mods have considered for the offenders cause it seemed fair to me.

about !stuck... it just upsets me to see good n cool players don't seem to take the game seriously. not going to name anyone (you know them).
If you're not going take the game seriously then do yourself and us a favor and play a different game... it's disrespect towards your comrade in-game who's watching you. it's disrespect to me, don't make me kick/!shun you for this childish act.

Edited April 15, 2022 by RmiN

[masscarriers]

Well I don't support racism but I do am intolerant to a type of people : fucking assholes who tell me I'm a racist out of nowhere.

Who the fuck do you think you are. Glad you're out of the team, never liked you anyways

[nameismud]

7 hours ago, BiLLaBoNg said:

and no one has a hard on for getting april banned, right?

its one message that is broadcasted to all players and the staff here look like fucking tools when they dont follow the rules/server messages they have in place. if you want to not make it look like you all support racism, just delete the message or change it from ban to mute. dont need to wait on blacky for that, right lol?

difference between april and woj is one exploits a game and the other is a straight racist. im in line with forgiveness for exploits, but blatant racism/racial slurs over X years warrants a perma ban and woj fits into that bucket. i pushed for that constantly when i was mod - but most, if not all, admins here support racism, it seems and can 'forgive' the disgusting humans that bring that shit to a game. it was admins that would 'forgive' him because he has his head so far up their ass.

Ren drama is real I guess. No racism is not supported. Woj being muted solves the problem of his drunken BS. April on the other hand glitches, woj doesn’t. April is also IMO leading towards a mute like woj since he can’t stop being toxic. As far as outdated messages go, no one really gives a shit about that but you apparently.

[BiLLaBoNg]

4 hours ago, masscarriers said:

Well I don't support racist

then people like woj wouldnt be in the server at all, but yet, he is. 

 

1 hour ago, nameismud said:

Ren drama is real I guess. No racism is not supported. Woj being muted solves the problem of his drunken BS. April on the other hand glitches, woj doesn’t. April is also IMO leading towards a mute like woj since he can’t stop being toxic. As far as outdated messages go, no one really gives a shit about that but you apparently.

not really sure it is outdated.. part of the server message does apply, the other portion just isn't enforced. at all. im just suggesting a flaw within the server messages and actions taken for racism; simple things that can be fixed, but that most are lazy as fuck to bother with. its just a contextual change or removal if you guys want to just make a front that you allow racism/racist players in the server.

to the other half of this quote; april + toxic = mute, woj + racist comments = mute. see, the problem is toxicity and racism are two entirely different things and one is much more extreme, but yet treated the same. but i get it... "we don't support racism, we just allow racists to play in the server." much logic, very wow

Edited April 15, 2022 by BiLLaBoNg

[BiLLaBoNg]

6 hours ago, RmiN said:

I think the mute is there because there's high chance "he" won't do that again, so it wouldn't be unfair.

do you know woj? have you been around for a decade+? he gets muted for racism, unmuted a few months (sometimes weeks) later because he eats admin's ass and fondles their balls and they 'forgive racism', then is racist again within a week, and repeat. 'he's' been like this for years. he's a racist.

Edited April 15, 2022 by BiLLaBoNg

[nameismud]

Him being muted means he can’t say racist shit, unless he squads up. You have to keep in my this the internet, and a video game, it’s been toxic for years. I’m not sure I’ve played a CSGO comp match without someone saying some racist or homophobic comment. Which is why I keep the voice chat muted, wish we had a mute feature in ren that wasn’t admin based. Nobody is complaining about Woj and asking for ban that I’ve seen except you, and you hardly even play do what’s the deal there? 

[BiLLaBoNg]

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Edited April 15, 2022 by BiLLaBoNg

[Vultima]

23 hours ago, BiLLaBoNg said:

difference between april and woj is one exploits a game and the other is a straight racist. im in line with forgiveness for exploits, but blatant racism/racial slurs over X years warrants a perma ban and woj fits into that bucket. i pushed for that constantly when i was mod - but most, if not all, admins here support racism, it seems and can 'forgive' the disgusting humans that bring that shit to a game. it was admins that would 'forgive' him because he has his head so far up their ass.

Pure mental gymnastics there...

Saying admins support racism is just a pure garbage comment, if that were true, we would never take any action surely against anyone for it...what a joke honestly, totally deluded...we have tools to moderate against it, it's an EASY thing to moderate against, are you forgetting that we had people before that were racist that got the same treatment, fingo for example, the difference being he was banned because he was bypassing those moderating tools and taking it to the upmost extreme, because it COULD NOT be moderated and it was on such a far more malicious and targetted degree

woj doesn't have the backing if any admins for the entire time I have been here at least, so no idea where you are getting that from, nobody knows him out of game or has any communication with him, nobody even likes him remotely, he is a pain in the ass, just as you are

 

If your entire point is to relive the past and bring up the exact same points nobody agreed with you on before, you can continue to die on that hill, nobody supports racism, you're just drama farming and attempting to blow things out of proportion, you entire point here is just purely "rencorner mods = bad", and you make every attempt to push that rhetoric to the point of making up shit

[shaitan]

Nice derailed subject, Cyanide. Since you want to expose the admins for secretly being racists, I'm going to tell you a little story: 

In a galaxy, far, far away. There were fights(me lecturing) with older owners in order for them to be held to the same standard as what the players were, when it came to racist-style commentary("nigga"/homie type). After awhile, they came to see that it did make sense. So, they adapted, stopped using it, and enforced it, too(in the servers; not so much on TS/IRC, as people do mess around/need an outlet of some sort).

There was one thing that we all agreed upon; it was second chances, back then. Excepting in certain circumstances(mega cheaters/cheat makers/server attackers/really abusive cunts worse than woj). What you're alluding to with favoritism regarding woj, did have its roots there. True, in a way. Rob and Ani did cut him slack back then(Manuel a few times, but he stopped too). Not so much after awhile(he stays muted more often than not). He gets his chance every now and then with an unmute(been years I think), to see how long he can last(a couple were literally jokes, we all had bets on it). Sometimes it was myself doing the unmuting after a year, or so, when I'd unban most of the list. With woj; it's not really due to the racist stuff(he uses the homie type. A couple I would have booted him for, but that was me looking through old posts today), his mute is mainly due to how he relentlessly attacks people when he's been drinking. 

You threw a fit on here awhile back about his unmuting, when the reality was he wasn't unmuted on purpose(once was the normal between-maps=gets in occasionally). He was unmuted, because I didn't copy over RCBOT's scripts that kept him muted, when we temporarily swapped PC's for the Anniversary stuff. It was supposed to be for a week, but it turned into longer. I let him be during that, because he wasn't raging-drunk as usual...but he went right back into mute-landia when I turned the normal server back on. You threw a fit in the mod section last year, when he got in and the bot didn't trigger. There's a whole topic on that dumbass one.

If you really want to speak about favoritism and ball cuddling, let us talk about you. You would have never been a mod without favoritism, nor would have some others. Tit for tat though, was how we did it(they got some wins, I got some wins...and we didn't destroy the community in the process). Having said that, I came to changing my way of thinking about you. You weren't the best, but you also weren't the worst. You did your "job" and I respected that.

I come to the crux of this post: why the fuck are you ranting about woj, when he's muted(when there is no glitch/etc)?

 

[N0]

Renegade is serious business?