some problems and some ideas as well

[Thehock]

problems 

1. !weps can`t be used when bar or hon destroyed so it is useless

2. donations need 180 seconds to be done when game start 

3. tunnels is just for snipe and this is just make tunnels useless so players always go to tanks 

Ideas 

1. !weps should be active even if bar or hon destroyed like !tank when wf destroyed

2. donations should be present when game start and cancel that time to make game fast and helpful as well so players will join more in it

3. we can at least nuke or ion at tunnels but at least 6 ions to kill ref in tunnels so tunnels will be helpful so we not go to tanks always to do that

4. put new weps like wep of obi or wep of agt it will be fun and more aggressive game but yeah with such good money 

5. Turret should be improved like shots of arty tank as well agt defences

6. put electric wires around pp , wf and bar so anyone touch it lose his health and buildings not destroyed easily

7. Put refund in every building so when any building destroyed refund to back it again and put limits of destruction like if building destroyed 2 times so it not back again

8. improve arty tanks as it the most tank been used so improve their health ,shots and yeah increase its money to buy it 

 

[nameismud]

24 minutes ago, Thehock said:

problems 

1. !weps can`t be used when bar or hon destroyed so it is useless

2. donations need 180 seconds to be done when game start 

3. tunnels is just for snipe and this is just make tunnels useless so players always go to tanks 

Ideas 

1. !weps should be active even if bar or hon destroyed like !tank when wf destroyed

2. donations should be present when game start and cancel that time to make game fast and helpful as well so players will join more in it

3. we can at least nuke or ion at tunnels but at least 6 ions to kill ref in tunnels so tunnels will be helpful so we not go to tanks always to do that

4. put new weps like wep of obi or wep of agt it will be fun and more aggressive game but yeah with such good money 

5. Turret should be improved like shots of arty tank as well agt defences

6. put electric wires around pp , wf and bar so anyone touch it lose his health and buildings not destroyed easily

7. Put refund in every building so when any building destroyed refund to back it again and put limits of destruction like if building destroyed 2 times so it not back again

8. improve arty tanks as it the most tank been used so improve their health ,shots and yeah increase its money to buy it 

 

TY hock. Just so you know I don't make these kinds of decisions for the server, I can just suggest. Same as you. I'll just go down the list:

1. I'm iffy on whether !weps should be used after bar is dead as that defeats the purpose of having a bar/hon. This is the reason I suggested removing !tank in the first place. I'd be leaning towards a no on that one.

2. I'm not sure, this is just a guess, but I imagine that exists so people can't buy anything overpowered too early in the game. So I'd be leaning towards a no on that one as well.

3. I don't think tunnel beacons should exist. If you get some of these OP snipers in the tuns protecting beacons matches would change significantly. Tuns do serve many purposes apart from this suggestion.

4. This server I think tries to keep things closer to a vanilla version of Renegade, meaning closer to how the developers made it. MPF is the type of server that implements all kinds of additions to renegade.

5. I think turrets should stay the same as them not being very deadly or accurate  is what makes certain actions in the game achievable, such as walking to OB on field, or PP on iceberg.

6. refer to answer on question 4.

7. refer to answer on question 4.

8. Arty is powerful enough, and is pretty much the most effective tank in the game with tech support.

 

Also bare in mind the changes you currently see in the server are not permanent. There are server messages that pop up randomly asking you to vote on these changes.

Edited June 20, 2022 by nameismud
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[Thehock]

9 minutes ago, nameismud said:

TY hock. Just so you know I don't make these kinds of decisions for the server, I can just suggest. Same as you. I'll just go down the list:

1. I'm iffy on whether !weps should be used after bar is dead as that defeats the purpose of having a bar/hon. This is the reason I suggested removing tank in the first place. I'd be leaning towards a no on that one.

2. I'm not sure, this is just a guess, but I imagine that exists so people can't buy anything overpowered too early in the game. So I'd be leaning towards a no on that one as well.

3. I don't think tunnel beacons should exist. If you get some of these OP snipers in the tuns protecting beacons matches would change significantly. Tuns do serve many purposes apart from this suggestion.

4. This server I think tries to keep things closer to a vanilla version of Renegade, meaning closer to how the developers made it. MPF is the type of server that implements all kinds of additions to renegade.

5. I think turrets should stay the same as them not being very deadly or accurate  is what makes certain actions in the game achievable, such as walking to OB on field, or PP on iceberg.

6. refer to answer on question 4.

7. refer to answer on question 4.

8. Arty is powerful enough, and is pretty much the most effective tank in the game with tech support.

 

Also bare in mind the changes you currently see in the server are not permanent. There are server messages that pop up randomly asking you to vote on these changes.

Thank you for your reply... But all I want is for the game to be more fun and interesting. I don't play on any server other than Rencorner because it is a respectable server for me, but some small improvements will not affect anything on the contrary, it will make the server more exciting and other players will join and on Most stay in the rencorner always... At least they argue with the last managers about donations at the beginning of the game and weapons, as well as adding new weapons

[Itai795]

Thank you hock for your suggestions. Same as mud, I'm not making these decisions.

Rencorner is one of the two remaining Renegade servers because (among other reasons) of its similarity to vanilla Ren with some subtle additions and changes, it appeals to most of the community here. Mud addressed your 1-3 sugeestions. The changes you suggest on points 4-8 are more drastic than what we are used to ever had here.

I agree with you that people might get bored and leave, but rocking the boat too much (having too much of a change) might push people away from the server and we are struggling as is. Some people get bored and play at MPF or go to other games, some of them leave RC for good and some comeback at some point. It is what it is, making radical changes might get things worse, and generally is something the community just doesn't want regardless to the number of active Ren players in RC.

[shaitan]

The !weps thing of them not working lately; something is broken with our server over it. They were set to be on with dead buildings, yet, they really weren't. Point is moot anyway; the pollings we recently had showed a majority want to keep the DNA drops.

Donations are set to the three minutes, because we are mainly geared towards Marathon maps.

Tunnel nuking causes too much drama.

Buying back buildings will pretty much fall into the !tank category of keeping a game going. 

[RmiN]

16 hours ago, shaitan said:

The !weps thing of them not working lately; something is broken with our server over it.

yesterday or the day before I was playing , map was field (no RxD) and yet some players had pimp weapons
I tried to buy them from !weapons but it didn't work, I'm confused... just sharing to make others confused as well

edit:
not sure but maybe the weapon spawned..?! but still it was not a RxD map

Edited June 21, 2022 by RmiN

[shaitan]

Had to of been on an rxd map, they can only spawn there. As for when: First day or two I had forgotten those were still on from the lasttime we used !weps(Fori reminded me on here). Yesterday for about 6 hours i let people buy them for the last hurrah of !weps.

[Tesla]

1./4. If !weapons is already an external discussion with a verdict of majority. Not enough of a game breaking issue otherwise.

2./2. I'd 100% agree on not waiting for donations but it would be SOOO abused.
I like quick games, like <15 minutes but I know a lot of people like extended matches, it would ruin it for them with an apc rush in first 30 seconds of game.

3. I have seen almost no1 have a tank on Nod until their Hon has been destroyed waaaay to cause disagreement with this.
But it does annoy me when there are 4+ snipers in tunnels, even if I'm not trying to sneak through, not exactly fair to punish.

Ideas 

3. Last thing game needs is @Fr3nZyand @Lausetplanting beacons in the tunnels while @nameismudand @AprilWarspam bullets. It would be really neat if there was an invisible forcefield that prevented tunnel/overhang beacons all together.

4. no just no.

5. I have always felt that the turret is unfairly underpowered vs guard tower but this isn't a modded server as so much. It is a hiccup but also game strategy (as mud stated.)

6. This would defeat half if not all of the strategic reasonings of Renegade. Literally kill it for me.
This only favors point whores who think they're pro because they can do one of the easiest things in the game.

7. Refer #4,5,6,7 response of the first reply to this topic.

8. If I recall correctly there was a fix on sniper shots vs arty (forget if applied to this server, but def another in my past years.)
Learn to tank, I personally will take on any tank with any tank. Any vehicle can kill any vehicle if maneuvered correctly.,
> IF I understand your logic, shouldn't tanks used most NOT be made more powerful so others have uses too....?

 

I know it was already said in mud's/Itai's/Shait's reply but I gave me 2 cents anyway...

Edited June 23, 2022 by Tesla

[Thehock]

On 6/21/2022 at 5:11 AM, shaitan said:

The !weps thing of them not working lately; something is broken with our server over it. They were set to be on with dead buildings, yet, they really weren't. Point is moot anyway; the pollings we recently had showed a majority want to keep the DNA drops.

Donations are set to the three minutes, because we are mainly geared towards Marathon maps.

Tunnel nuking causes too much drama.

Buying back buildings will pretty much fall into the !tank category of keeping a game going. 

thanks for your reply shai I appreciate what you doing for this nice server i just wanna the game more fun for players and aggressive as well to attract many players and make every team have chances even if they lose something important 

for example if any team lose his ref everything after that is down the other team will win easily and this is not good as players will out after that and they will wait for next map to join or maybe they not join again as they saw it is useless and no alternative service 

third thing tunnel nuking causes too much drama yes but you will give tunnel impotant role in game as it is useless thing for many players

and thanks again for your reply

 

Edited July 14, 2022 by Thehock
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