Fr3nzy acting up

[nameismud]

Joined as Booga, wasn;t doing shit apart from team hampering Gonny. At 1:13 mark he pushes gonny off ledge.

Throwing motes on mct to stop the repairs. Now in this situation, this game was over but this still isn't ok IMO. 

 

Looknig at IRC today when I wasn't in he's spamming !teams. He's just being a twat. I haven't done anything yet because he's a veteran player, but if you're friends with him you might tell him to calm down.

 

0 Uneven Teams8 GDI 94 Nod 60 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9Host: 0Teams Uneven GDI 9 Nod 6 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9[Hidden]04 Mongoose: !teams 
<&RCAOW> 9[Teams]0 Uneven Teams8 GDI 94 Nod 60 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9Host: 0Teams Uneven GDI 9 Nod 6 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9[Hidden]04 Mongoose: !teams 
<&RCAOW> 9[Teams]0 Uneven Teams8 GDI 94 Nod 60 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9Host: 0Teams Uneven GDI 9 Nod 6 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9[Hidden]04 Mongoose: !teams 
<&RCAOW> 9[Teams]0 Uneven Teams8 GDI 94 Nod 60 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9Host: 0Teams Uneven GDI 9 Nod 6 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9[Hidden]04 Mongoose: !teams 
<&RCAOW> 9[Teams]0 Uneven Teams8 GDI 94 Nod 60 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9Host: 0Teams Uneven GDI 9 Nod 6 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9[Hidden]04 Mongoose: !teams 
<&RCAOW> 9[Teams]0 Uneven Teams8 GDI 94 Nod 60 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9Host: 0Teams Uneven GDI 9 Nod 6 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 3[C4]08 Mono's Proximity C4 has detonated (Attached to: None)
<&RCAOW> 9[Team]04 Mongoose: !teamz
<&RCAOW> 3[C4]08 Mono's Timed C4 has detonated (Attached to: None)
<&RCAOW> 3[Crate]008 Kaiyo got the Ablative Armor crate  ( Vehicle )
<&RCAOW> 9[Hidden]04 Mongoose: !teams 
<&RCAOW> 9[Teams]0 Uneven Teams8 GDI 94 Nod 60 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9Host: 0Teams Uneven GDI 9 Nod 6 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9[Hidden]04 Mongoose: !teams 
<&RCAOW> 9[Teams]0 Uneven Teams8 GDI 94 Nod 60 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9Host: 0Teams Uneven GDI 9 Nod 6 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 3[C4]08 Mono's Timed C4 has detonated (Attached to: None)
<&RCAOW> 7[VehKill]04 OSTKGeeti destroyed BoW's Armored Personnel Carrier (Proximity C4 VS. Armored Personnel Carrier)
<&RCAOW> 3[C4]04 OSTKGeeti's Proximity C4 has detonated (Attached to: None)
<&RCAOW> 3[Building]04 Hand of Nod under attack.
<&RCAOW> 3[C4]04 OSTKGeeti's Proximity C4 has detonated (Attached to: None)
<&RCAOW> 9[Hidden]04 Mongoose: !teams 
<&RCAOW> 9[Teams]0 Uneven Teams8 GDI 94 Nod 60 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9Host: 0Teams Uneven GDI 9 Nod 6 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9[Hidden]04 Mongoose: !teams 
<&RCAOW> 9[Teams]0 Uneven Teams8 GDI 94 Nod 60 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 9Host: 0Teams Uneven GDI 9 Nod 6 Difference: 3
<&RCAOW> 7[VehKill]08 {Os}Tomo destroyed porkchopx's Light Tank (Medium Tank VS. Light Tank)
<&RCAOW> 3[EmptyVeh]8 {Os}Tomo destroyed a Nod Light Tank (GDI Engineer/GDI Medium Tank8) 
<&RCAOW> 9[Hidden]04 Mongoose: !teams 
<&RCAOW> 9[Teams]0 Uneven Teams8 GDI 94 Nod 60 Difference: 3

Edited July 11, 2022 by nameismud
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[shaitan]

May or may not be handled. He refused to acknowledge what I was telling him. If he keeps it up, let me know. It won't be easy to keep him banned, but I've done it before.

 

[nameismud]

He could probably use another break.

[shaitan]

He was warned, and he waited until I left for the night. He stays out for a week, and if any of you see/think/know it's him: ban him. After that it won't be temporary...but ban on sight.

BVM_Jr is also temp banned for a week until I get off of work(*edited* now).

 

Moving this to the public ren forum, that way everyone knows what him and his RenHD clique have been doing to fuck up games.

P.S. When you guys get banned, your IP's/etc will be posted in this lovely public topic, so, you might not want to keep fucking around.

[Guest rackz]

Do we still deal with such assholes after so many years? my god...

[Guest rackz]

7 hours ago, shaitan said:

 

BVM_Jr is also temp banned for a week.

 

 

[N0]

Justice 4 BVMs

[InspectorGadget]

justice 4 BVM´s, no mercy for frenzy!

[Mikey]

sounds like a case of "I didnt hack my brother did"

[Unstoppable]

I'm totally stranger to this, but I wonder how convenient and ethical it is to threaten people with exposing their IP addresses and etc.

I don't know how RC deals with these kind of stuff but one thing I'm sure it's quite close to MPF's. Amongst all the places I've moderated (Renegade, Minecraft, CS:GO, GMOD) I've never seen someone (especially a staff member) threating people like that.

Don't get me wrong I'm not defending anyone, I'm just wondering.

Edited July 13, 2022 by Unstoppable

[shaitan]

Your point? My threat is real, if they want to play chicken, they can do so. Sometimes, Soft Power is the best option.

It's an easy fix: they can stop being morons that ruin other people's games. They will not be getting away with it any longer. What you do not understand is in cases like Frenzy; it will be harder for me to remove him, we've been through this before. It's doable, but it's a pain in the ass. This time, there will not be any "oh, let's just let him play, because maybe he'll stop ban evading". Nah, it'll be permanent, and every time he's seen bypassing it'll be one more ban. 

Btw, you aren't unbiased in any manner. I've read some of the shit you've said on April's discord, as well.

MPF can do things however they want to.

 

You all act like this kind of thing is new, and unprecedented. People have been making cliques between themselves, being angry about some rule/person, acting moronic/trolling, and eventually wrecking games for the last 18 years I've been doing this. The last group that did this was OSTK, ironically enough.

[Unstoppable]

My main language is not English, I can't talk fancy with indirect expressions and allusions like native speakers here. I'll type my thoughts directly.
I'm not at Fr3nzy's actions, bans and stuff has been going on RenHD. I'm at threatening your players with exposing their private stuff like IP addresses. Backing your threat doesn't make any sense, it just shows how corrupt you guys moderate the server. I assure you I would behave the same if I was a moderator here or happened in somewhere else where I'm staff.
If you can ban him, why not just do it? Just ban. And ban the new IPs he uses to evade. Seems like you can do that, then what's the point of threatening if you're going to ban anyway?
As a prominent administrator and co-founder of RenHD, our primary mission is to upscale Renegade assets, implement features that Westwood intended but didn't make it into game, create our high-resolution assets and bring a refreshed experience. We welcome new people in our server and care about their thoughts, we're not a clique. According to the dictionary definition of "clique", entire Renegade community is a clique with all the old people around hating newbies. (I won't give examples, it's obvious.) I don't know the audience there well I'm just getting to know them slowly, but people are doing heavy irony in there about these actions and cases. Nobody (especially our staff) endorsed anyone to break rules in any server.
I don't know how long this has been going on as I said I'm totally stranger to this. I heard about his drama before but didn't really care much. One thing I'm sure threating with private information must not be the way to go.

[shaitan]

6 minutes ago, Unstoppable said:

My main language is not English, I can't talk fancy with indirect expressions and allusions like native speakers here. I'll type my thoughts directly.
I'm not at Fr3nzy's actions, bans and stuff has been going on RenHD. I'm at threatening your players with exposing their private stuff like IP addresses. Backing your threat doesn't make any sense, it just shows how corrupt you guys moderate the server. I assure you I would behave the same if I was a moderator here or happened in somewhere else where I'm staff.
If you can ban him, why not just do it? Just ban. And ban the new IPs he uses to evade. Seems like you can do that, then what's the point of threatening if you're going to ban anyway?
As a prominent administrator and co-founder of RenHD, our primary mission is to upscale Renegade assets, implement features that Westwood intended but didn't make it into game, create our high-resolution assets and bring a refreshed experience. We welcome new people in our server and care about their thoughts, we're not a clique. According to the dictionary definition of "clique", entire Renegade community is a clique with all the old people around hating newbies. (I won't give examples, it's obvious.) I don't know the audience there well I'm just getting to know them slowly, but people are doing heavy irony in there about these actions and cases. Nobody (especially our staff) endorsed anyone to break rules in any server.
I don't know how long this has been going on as I said I'm totally stranger to this. I heard about his drama before but didn't really care much. One thing I'm sure threating with private information must not be the way to go.

IP's are not private information. VPN IP's are especially not private information.

You speak of corrupt, are you not the same Unstoppable that is friends with that cheat maker seifmagdi and his cohort? I think you need to sit the fuck down, as you were just as bad as him when you were covering his cheater ass in MPF.

[AprilWar]

You need to chill shai. Nobody is sending ppl to boycott servers or making ppl break anybody's rules. We DO rant about hypocrisy, abuse and make fun of shit about this and other servers too; just as you guys do the same about some of us through other channels, and just as other communities do the same about us and this server. This happens everywhere. But from that to suggest that we are purposely infiltrating your server to cause mayhem as if we didn't have anything better to do w/ our lives is a big stretch.

[N0]

I'm just here to witness the self implosion don't mind me. OUT OF THIN AIR

[BiLLaBoNg]

Y'all seem to cover the fuck out of ExEric lmao 

[InspectorGadget]

 

13 minutes ago, AprilWar said:

You need to chill shai. Nobody is sending ppl to boycott servers or making ppl break anybody's rules. We DO rant about hypocrisy, abuse and make fun of shit about this and other servers too; just as you guys do the same about some of us through other channels, and just as other communities do the same about us and this server. This happens everywhere. But from that to suggest that we are purposely infiltrating your server to cause mayhem as if we didn't have anything better to do w/ our lives is a big stretch.

you sure as hell do act as if nothing is more important in your life then ren a whole lot of the time though.

[AprilWar]

5 minutes ago, InspectorGadget said:

 

you sure as hell do act as if nothing is more important in your life then ren a whole lot of the time though.

gtfo. Ren IS life

[BiLLaBoNg]

4 minutes ago, InspectorGadget said:

 

you sure as hell do act as if nothing is more important in your life then ren a whole lot of the time though.

From what I can see, between AprilWar and Unstoppable, as well as a few others, they are super passionate about upscaling a 20 year old game. Nothing wrong with having a passion for building/improving something that's extremely outdated.. not to mention, what they're doing is not just for themselves, but everyone that's also interested in playing a more high def game of Ren...

[shaitan]

To the RenHD group

Aprilwar: You've been angry due to name_is_mud holding you to account in the game. A few of the times, he did step over the line, and after the chats he understood where he did. For the most part he did not(or the rulings had to be made more clear). He's the most active moderator, ofc you're going to get called out by him the most. He was also thrown into this shit without real help, most went afk or slowed gaming down.

You were angry prior to that at myself and Manuel for moderating you over your invis'ing. I have watched as you've been slowly gathering up people who are like-minded into your RenHD group since your March 17th rage PM to me.

Frenzy: You've always been glitching/hampering/wrecking games since Fr3nzy514. In the beginning Manuel did cover your ass somewhat, but after awhile even he got tired of your shit. Jesus Christ, we've had to modify the server itself due to things you would abuse(think your !fds shun to stop you from abusing !stuck).

TeslaDan5: I don't even know what your problem with me was. Is it because you think I'm an old know-it-all? “daddy shaitan knows what's best for renegade” and that other crap.

Billabong: you've been bitching about us allowing racism, us protecting “friends” who break rules, us allowing cheaters this whole time. The best part of that is you, yourself, actually did have that. Remember when I pointed that out to you a couple of months ago?

Unstoppable: I literally told you that we would not be adding those fixes until Blacky is around. So, you can mock me for not knowing how to/having the patience to code, all you want. Plus, I do not trust you, and wanted Blacky to review anything.

The funniest part, to me, is this year I've been the most AFK I've ever been since RC started up again in 2012. You guys have bitched at/blamed me the most on this forum/elsewhere. If you wonder why it's coming to a head now: I am tired of it, so it isn't "out of thin air". 

Would you like to know why you've been allowed to get away with your bullshit for as long as you have? We didn't need to lose people, even the fuckups(RC started as a band of fuckups). Not because I want our server filled up, but because there's only MPF/Apex/RC/Exodus left(spoiler: mocked for that). Banning people all of the time(without giving 2nd chances)/splitting the playerbase up tends to break things up even more, faster.

Right now? You have a choice: stop poisoning people, stop wrecking games. If you do not then I'll give each and every one of you what you desire: Booted from RC without ever being legitimately allowed back in. You guys are pathetic if you do not think I know what you're doing with this drama.

 

If anyone does have actual triggerbot/cheats on: get rid of them now. You will not be given the benefit of the doubt, nor is any “proof” required. Truthfully, I let the “proof” thing slide about 1.5 years ago in the moderator forum. It's just noone wanted to deal with the forum outrage of coming to it without proof. That applies to any person who's been suspected of it.

[BiLLaBoNg]

Shai, since you always seem to bring up this every time you have nothing else to defend yourself with or say. I haven't been a mod for almost a year or more? Lmfao. I was a lowly moderator and brought up serious offenses to higher ups to try and collaborate and make a decision together with also providing my two cents. Are staff not a team? Should they not act as a unit with bannable offenses and ensure everyone/majority is on the same page? Is it wrong to bring up offenses and discuss with higher ups? Look at Mud as a prime example, a lowly moderator, banned people, made to look like a fool. Imagine if he had a support network on the staff team to discuss decisions with?

with all of my concerns, All I remember you saying is "if you want to ban, then do it, but I won't be the one dealing with the evades" which is hardly helpful or supportive at all, but that's the fucking norm with you, isn't it?

Not sure why you have friends in quotes as if it's not the truth.. you literally admitted Manuel covered for Frenzy in your post lol 

Still can't seem to comment on ExEric, eh? But you want to call others out for covering hackers in the past lol Hypocrisy at its finest. For the record, I don't think anyone has said to out right ban him, but I have respectfully suggested to request him to show proof of how 'good' he is, just like April, myself, and many others have in the past... but is that too much effort all the way up there on your high horse?

Edited July 13, 2022 by BiLLaBoNg

[N0]

Rambling Thoughts

 

In all seriousness, here are my actual thoughts. Was it wrong for me to push Gonny on the ledge? Absolutely, what I have an issue with is that fact you tried to threaten me via ingame PMs and make a giant spectacle about it, quite ironic since supposedly I and the “clique” are the ones creating all this drama. When you wrote all that stuff to me all I was thinking was if you’re going to ban me then just do it, you are justified in that action if you choose to be but i’m not sure what you were expecting? For me to beg and say I'm sorry for screwing around in a 20 year old game? I never even saw this post until last night because I'm barely on the forums. Other clips like me putting motes on PP or shoving humvees in bar are both irrelevant in my eyes because even mud admitted that the game was over and on Field I literally Ion’d them all not even 5 mins after the clip he posted. I was just having fun with BVM_JR. Everybody knows that I'm usually at the top of the team leaderboards or at least am the main slayer of the team so getting banned for TH is quite ironic considering 95% of the time I actually play the game to win. I just don't understand all your recent decisions Shai, ever since I left RC discord for valid reasons you’ve treated me like I hate you or something when that’s not the case at all. You’ve even PM’d me stuff like this. I do not have a personal vendetta against you or RC nor do most people that I talk to. Examples like kicking Tesla off the mod list simply because you do not trust him to not shit talk with April or whomever is pretty fucking pathetic. People will openly talk shit about other players all the time, I know countless ppl talk shit about me and guess what? I really don’t care. You seem to care a lot though when all the sudden everyone is saying something bad about you so you get fixated on getting players banned etc. For a second, I literally thought you sent Manny on me last night about the Tesla situation because you’ve been acting so weird lately. RenHD is just like any other Discord where we freely talk about anything. I think the real problem is that maybe you feel like you are losing power when you are not. We’ve pretty much all abandoned the RC discord, since most of us are adults and we don't want to talk to little children for a totally different game in our free time. So at least to me it seems like you are trying to take control over every situation and it’s just not possible. I could be wrong, but that’s the way it is coming across to me. No I don’t hate you Shai but IMO you’ve been making dumbass choices that hurt the most passionate renegade players, criticism is a good thing because nothing will be perfect its what you choose to do with the criticism that matters, ignoring players or just saying fuck em ban em etc. doesnt help anything and drives people away from RC.

 

• Renegade is SERIOUS BUSINESS

Edited July 13, 2022 by Fr3nZy

[Unstoppable]

1 hour ago, shaitan said:

I think you need to sit the fuck down, as you were just as bad as him when you were covering his cheater ass in MPF.

Do you know I was the one who detected his cheats in MPF and gave him the ban? I'm still keeping the video evidence of that. (but I don't trust you) I never defended him for his cheats, but I always encouraged him to learn an actual programming language if that's what you're talking about. There are WAYYYYY MORE DETAILS you'd need to know about seifmagdi is no longer cheating, (for Renegade & other online games, few people know about that) but I don't trust you again. But I'm sure you know how I PM you everything I know about the banned people in RC so you can update their bans. I feel like you're ignoring me about them too but OK, I'll keep doing it.

 

49 minutes ago, shaitan said:

I literally told you that we would not be adding those fixes until Blacky is around. So, you can mock me for not knowing how to/having the patience to code, all you want. Plus, I do not trust you, and wanted Blacky to review anything.

Yeah a completely random person finding your server source on Github, porting it to latest Dragonade and giving it to you with source is a trust issue. I understand you tho as you probably don't know C++ to read the source. But I assure you again I just want your server to be safe by including 2 critical patches in it, but I'm losing hope. I've helped countless people since 2018 about their games, servers, codes through TeamViewer, AnyDesk and other tools. Just show me 1 person who was unhappy or suspicious about me. Remember when I said feel free to ask me for help about server development twice? I assume they were trust issues too. I really didn't want to discuss about that in here, I'd be happier if we talked about that in Discord PM and I'd provide more details.

 

49 minutes ago, shaitan said:

If anyone does have actual triggerbot/cheats on

If you find one, you can give it to me and I can do my best to patch it in the TT as I'm a part of them since January.

 

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I also see you're trying to change the topic from your threatening, I will remember that.

Edited July 13, 2022 by Unstoppable

[nameismud]

2 minutes ago, Fr3nZy said:

Rambling Thoughts

 

In all seriousness, here are my actual thoughts. Was it wrong for me to push Gonny on the ledge? Absolutely, what I have an issue with is that fact you tried to threaten me via ingame PMs and make a giant spectacle about it, quite ironic since supposedly I and the “clique” are the 

ones creating all this drama. When you wrote all that stuff to me all I was thinking was if you’re going to ban me then just do it, you are justified in that action if you choose to be but i’m not sure what you were expecting? For me to beg and say I'm sorry for screwing around in a 20 year old game? I never even saw this post until last night because I'm barely on the forums. Other clips like me putting motes on PP or shoving humvees in bar are both irrelevant in my eyes because even mud admitted that the game was over and on Field I literally Ion’d them all not even 5 mins after the clip he posted. I was just having fun with BVM_JR. Everybody knows that I'm usually at the top of the team leaderboards or at least am the main slayer of the team so getting banned for TH is quite ironic considering 95% of the time I actually play the game to win. I just don't understand all your recent decisions Shai, ever since I left RC discord for valid reasons you’ve treated me like I hate you or something when that’s not the case at all. You’ve even PM’d me stuff like this. I do not have a personal vendetta against you or RC nor do most people that I talk to. Examples like kicking Tesla off the mod list simply because you do not trust him to not shit talk with April or whomever is pretty fucking pathetic. People will openly talk shit about other players all the time, I know countless ppl talk shit about me and guess what? I really don’t care. You seem to care a lot though when all the sudden everyone is saying something bad about you so you get fixated on getting players banned etc. For a second, I literally thought you sent Manny on me last night about the Tesla situation because you’ve been acting so weird lately. RenHD is just like any other Discord where we freely talk about anything. I think the real problem is that maybe you feel like you are losing power when you are not. We’ve pretty much all abandoned the RC discord, since most of us are adults and we don't want to talk to little children for a totally different game in our free time. So at least to me it seems like you are trying to take control over every situation and it’s just not possible. I could be wrong, but that’s the way it is coming across to me. No I don’t hate you Shai but IMO you’ve been making dumbass choices that hurt the most passionate renegade players, criticism is a good thing because nothing will be perfect its what you choose to do with the criticism that matters, ignoring players or just saying fuck em ban em etc. doesnt help anything and drives people away from RC.

 

• Renegade is SERIOUS BUSINESS

You glitch and break rules frequently, that I usually ignore. It's not more complicated than that. I could have taken action awhile ago but chose to ignore because that's how things have been done around here. The worst part to me about all of this, you probably want rencorner to fail, the last server that actually hosts a real resemblance to renegade.

[AprilWar]

36 minutes ago, shaitan said:

 

Right now? You have a choice: stop poisoning people, stop wrecking games. If you do not then I'll give each and every one of you what you desire: Booted from RC without ever being legitimately allowed back in. You guys are pathetic if you do not think I know what you're doing with this drama.

 

If anyone does have actual triggerbot/cheats on: get rid of them now. You will not be given the benefit of the doubt, nor is any “proof” required. Truthfully, I let the “proof” thing slide about 1.5 years ago in the moderator forum. It's just noone wanted to deal with the forum outrage of coming to it without proof. That applies to any person who's been suspected of it.

You created this drama tbh. You keep addressing us as a group that's coordinating and determined to infiltrate and corrupt RC, fine you think what you want I really don't care. None of the people in this list had to do with the thread. Some of them are actually trying to make Ren better for all communities, not just yours and ours. You yourself admit there were admins and other people covering for "x" people and then wonder why people are angry with the double standards and leave the community when rules are not applied equally.

I'm actually upset years before March, when 2-3 of your moderators were going into my social media and talking about shit publicly; and then threatening me directly at every opportunity to have me banned because they "found" triggerbot evidence in the bot or some shit but it was all made up. Shit like this is constant but I rarely bring it up unless warranted. Despite all of this, I've never joined with the intention to break rules or cheat. The issue with mud is settled, we apologized to each other and we are not trying to get on each other's nerves.

As for the triggerbot part, it's quite simple: if you are so good at a game beyond reasonable skills, record or stream (even just a little bit). Machine/internet limitations aren't an excuse anymore. When people are way too good beyond reason then the burden of proof is on them to prove they can pull it off without cheats.

 

Ps. fr3nzy fuck off with the bold text

Ps 1. we know who is the one sharing information from our discord to RC - and guess what, we are not against that. Actually I like this player, I don't think he likes me but I actually do like him.

Edited July 13, 2022 by AprilWar