Vultima - Resignation

[ExEric3]

46 minutes ago, InspectorGadget said:

now your only coder is exeric who is fairly capable but you don´t fully trust him and the majority of our playerbase thinks he cheats and who has shown zero effort in trying to refute those allegations. it´s better than reyling on someone who isn´t available but it´s still very far from optimal and it could have been so much better if you weren´t so reluctant to change and giving people access. and now you´re still vilfying them for going somewhere else where they could do what they seemed was best.

 

So its about me. How I typed in my previous post I can step away. Im sure Vultima will not return since his mod app was posted earlier like his resignation letter here that means it was planned behind scenes. Also was accepted in really short time which means also it was discussed and planned previously at least my opinion.

Well thanks for info about trust level between me and shaitan. Majority of yours playerbase means 25%+ of whole ren players think Im cheating. So thats reason to leave ren completelly and leave it how is it now. So Im resigned also. Thanks and bye.

[UksRene]

Dropping like flies…. 

[InspectorGadget]

5 hours ago, ExEric3 said:

So its about me. How I typed in my previous post I can step away. Im sure Vultima will not return since his mod app was posted earlier like his resignation letter here that means it was planned behind scenes. Also was accepted in really short time which means also it was discussed and planned previously at least my opinion.

Well thanks for info about trust level between me and shaitan. Majority of yours playerbase means 25%+ of whole ren players think Im cheating. So thats reason to leave ren completelly and leave it how is it now. So Im resigned also. Thanks and bye.

it has never been about you. i think it´s better you´re here than nobody is like it was before. however many people myself included do think you cheated in the past and the way you´ve been acting when we told you to take steps like recording yourself to prove you don´t make you even more sus to me. you went along and didn´t really snipe for months after gozy told you. care to explain why you behaved in such a way? why is it that instead of taking steps to clear your name you run away every time people press you on it? obviously such behaviour doesn´t exactly establish confidence and trust in someone. and that´s a basic requirement if you let people code for a server.

you´ve undoubtedly done good work both for the funwar servers and for the rencorner server and i thank you for it. but if you end up being the one who does all the code for rencorner you need to come clear about those allegations instead of running away from them.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by InspectorGadget

[Goztow]

[quote]I gave Goztow and Vultima access to that to do whatever with. You guys threw a fit about wanting a second server, so I set it up on another PC...you played the second server one time. [/quote]

I put several hours in that server, and you helped me figure things out. And I thank you for that. It was a great starting point, and I would not have minded staying there. I think I did what I could with the possibilites the server had to offer. There were map bugs that weren't fixable because of the links with the public server. On complex, the modified harvester path makes it very hard for Nod to win at all. I wanted to change Snow with Snow2 for some fixes, as up to day this was not possible. It may seem like small things, but in a competitive environment you want to make the environment as perfect as possible to have even games. When the opportunity rose for the renewars people to be able to finetune their server more directly, it was taken. I was not a part of that decision, which I regret but I also respect and understand. If i had been a part of that decision, I would have proposed to RC to try and integrate Vultiserv as a RC server. It would have been an opportunity to use the Vultiserv as a proof of concept of what could be developed for the public server. Maybe that opportunity still exists. A good talk might do wonders.

 

[Qjmatrix1]

STRAIGHT DENIED NEVER ALLOWED
 

[UksRene]

Did inspector get booted ? 
 

if that’s true that he got booted then I resign from moderator position, i disagree with Inspector getting booted cos of what he said about Eric. 
 

i will just play as a normal user. 
 

thanks 

Edited December 7, 2023 by UksRene

[shaitan]

Yep, and so did some others. If you guys are in the same boat and don't want to be here, let me know. I was going to let people just dwindle away on their own into the night, but screw it.

P.S. Eric isn't leaving. He knew I didn't trust him back then, I told him that before. Now I do.

Moved to general chat.

[Vultima]

Im not sure airing out your dirty laundry to the public is the most big brain move to make if I'm honest, but whilst here, I appreciate everyone who took a level headed approach to this and the kind words shared from other staff staff <3. @Qjmatrix1 @masscarriers @Joetorp and a couple others, much appreciated.

[shaitan]

The point of moving it was certain of you couldn't read it anymore. Now they can.

Don't forget to include the forced-forum logins on that new server. I'd like to see how it actually works out on a public server(aka if I was wrong and will eat crow that it doesn't hamstring it). It'd be a good test run I suppose.

[Vultima]

Right up until the last moment your clueless shai, I changed the solution and discussed it with everyone, and you even responded to the messages in discord, clearly you misunderstood, wake up.

Why do you think I went through the effort of creating the IP Validator route instead, why would I waste my time making an entire standalone plugin written in node, that would solve issues on Terraria(which is being used right now) and eventually Renegade https://github.com/Vultima/IPValidatorService ??????????????

I could never get you to green light anything, sure I had freedom on the web side, but the main concern was Renegade, but knowing Terraria had a need for it anyway, I spend time creating one and it works well.

 

I sorted out your problem of the guy permanently evading and team hampering for you in the end anyway by talking to the guy, you know a skill you clearly lack, did you even remotely acknowledge that? Nope.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Vultima

[JonRambo]

Reddit formatting this as I'm way more familiar with it.

> ReneWars under RC? Im not hearing it first time. Whats real issue?

[Owners/admins not giving access.](https://i.imgur.com/3XairAV.png) It's literally that.

> Now I know this decission and condition to take me out comes from Unstoppable

Bullshit but I think the *real* comment would be over the line and need Vult's approval. [Beforehand part blaming me](https://i.imgur.com/8C1mR1y.png) seems safe.

> I'm not going to bother trying with you, Inspector. You all in that clique showed me your loyalty...or lack thereof.

In other words, "blindfully support us or support Renegade as a whole?" Quoting Vult's post, "Im not so annoyed the individual act, but rather at the fact that than when Renegade continues to grow ever near to it's end of life there is still this "us vs them" mentality going on." Watch Hunter x Hunter and recognize the MC's power is becoming an adult. (Note: Don't actually watch. I just spoiled how awful the show is.)

> You, specifically, are why I'm saying you guys in that clique are disloyal.

Once again, this is so fucking dumb. *This game is 21 years old.* Just like non00bs and ren-archive merged with Jelly *in interest of extending the game's lifetime*, not olddust/Iccyt0uch wanting control, Vultima and others love the game. They're here 21 years later doing development work. This petty loyalty stuff is middle school logic at best.

> Play where you want, but you won't be using this place as your stepping stone any further. Did you seriously think that was going to continue?

@shaitan Please remove my in-game temp mod status if this is your childish logic. Doesn't matter much as I play on other names enough anyway - Mili/Kurumi

[ClownResp]

Grabs popcorn *

[shaitan]

38 minutes ago, Vultima said:

Right up until the last moment your clueless shai, I changed the solution and discussed it with everyone, and you even responded to the messages in discord, clearly you misunderstood, wake up.

Why do you think I went through the effort of creating the IP Validator route instead, why would I waste my time making an entire standalone plugin written in node, that would solve issues on Terraria(which is being used right now) and eventually Renegade https://github.com/Vultima/IPValidatorService ??????????????

I could never get you to green light anything, sure I had freedom on the web side, but the main concern was Renegade, but knowing Terraria had a need for it anyway, I spend time creating one and it works well.

 

I sorted out your problem of the guy permanently evading and team hampering for you in the end anyway by talking to the guy, you know a skill you clearly lack, did you even remotely acknowledge that? Nope.

That's entirely possible I misunderstood you about that forum-login and the name validator actually being its successor. Yet, these guys were the ones who kept bringing it up in the mod chats. Bitching because I wouldn't agree to that forum-login one. Do re-read the highlighted parts and that date.

You just told me the other day you did not have designs on renegade admin. What does having unilateral decisions regarding what mods get run, what settings get used, does that entail? It's administration...and I was not about to alienate Manuel in any way about it by making another Renegade admin at that time. I told you that in the beginning.

 

23 minutes ago, JonRambo said:

@shaitan Please remove my in-game temp mod status if this is your childish logic. Doesn't matter much as I play on other names enough anyway - Mili/Kurumi

You were the second one on that list.

 

Vultima, you, more than anyone in this topic(other than Manuel/Joe) knew that I only trusted you guys. You also knew that I was being hammered by everyone and their mother about wanting access to this, that, to "help out". Maybe I should have given you more, but I was worried about other shit falling apart.

 

In a way you guys got what you wanted, you did light a fire under my ass.

 

[Vultima]

On 12/3/2023 at 8:00 PM, Vultima said:

On that topic, we all know that there are members staff that are both here, and within the RW community(albeit not staff, we have no concept of staff, it's a mostly flat hierarchy with everyone pitching in), myself and them included have never tried to undermine RC in any way and will continue to behave as such, so do not look at them any differently, or treat them differently.

To quote myself, right up until the last moment @shaitan, you don't heed my advice and vilify everyone and now you're down 3 members of staff, you have no tact when it comes to working through matters, your way of doing things is to rush in head-strong shooting bullets first and ask questions later - This was the reason why you banned blacky(your only dev at that point in time, not a clever thing to do), despite my advice of saying NOT to do so because you thought he was trying to usurp Rencorner, when it was CLEAR he wasn't!!!

On 12/4/2023 at 9:44 AM, Manuel857 said:

Funny you say that, but before posting this you went ahead and applied for moderator at MPF. So it means that RC isn't competitive but MPF is? Okay then.

My plan was to apply for MPF as I foresee a future there where I can be collaborative with them and improve Renegade, I got a taste of that as I worked closely with Unstoppable, the last remaining TT dev does it not make sense to work with someone who is working on TT.
When all is said and done, I was worried RC will eventually crumble because of a lack of innovation, the server hasn't changed much in years, so much stuff is broken, you seem to relish the fact that Rencorner is help up with "duct tape"(your words), and there is no interest to improve.

On 12/4/2023 at 2:06 PM, BiLLaBoNg said:

Vultima will do his best to make Renegade better and last longer, no doubt. I believe what Manny is eluding to, is the fact that he put in a mod app to MPF, then some hours later resigned here, but not after saying, " time which I can no longer commit to RC" which I could see being perceived a little contradicting. I realize also that I'm taking 1 line out of a whole multi-paragraph post of his explanation of reasoning.

I should have been more specific, what I mean is I have no more time to waste trying to pursue improvements that are ultimately blocked by key members of staff that hold the cards far too close to their chest.
RC lost out massively but not trying to be more accommodating to the more competitive side of the community, it would of been great, I was upscaling my development ability, gaining confidence to make real change on the Renegade servers to no avail and gave up.

On 12/5/2023 at 12:54 AM, ExEric3 said:

I personally got some hates level against him mainly when he dropped me out from his server box since he wanted that 4.8 private fixed builds which is already here for 9 months just in private mode from which profit actually only MPF/VultiServ. Now I know this decission and condition to take me out comes from Unstoppable. But its still not something why I wouldnt talk with Vultima. I was also accussed for flooding/hacking his server box after he kicked me out. Dont know someone tried make some drama.

The hate is one sided Eric, the fact of it is, you did help me out very much so in the beginning and it was much appreciated, and I wouldn't have the ability I have now without you.
But when all is said and done people all over Renegade do not trust you very well including the TT staff themselves, RC staff don't hence the numerous cheat accusations, you now have access to the mod forums now, do me a favour and give yourself a quick search on the forums, primary suspect of numerous DDOS attacks.
To be fair none of it is proven, however you do not get to that level of distrust without doing something shady - I decided to look past all that and get you involved with RC and pushed for it because RC were hurting for a developer, badly, after I worked with you on my servers successfully, well up until that point.
So the 4.8 TT fixed build was not to be distributed to you, under any circumstances that was the condition, I got permission for myself, but I couldn't get permission with you there.
Towards the end anyway it was mainly just me doing it all anyway, you worked on Brenbot and tinkered with things here and there I was making coding changes that impacted the gameplay which was the primary focus.
Fun fact: Take it with a pinch of salt, but I gave you a grace period to backup any of your assets off the server, and what do I wake up to the next day? A broken server NONE of them would start and they were all offline..What do I wake up 2 days later, DDOS attacks DESPITE it running completely flawlessly for 2 months, could be a coincidence I can't prove any of which.

14 hours ago, shaitan said:

You, specifically, are one of the ones who ran his mouth the most. Post your own logs of it. You, specifically, are why I'm saying you guys in that clique are disloyal.

Play where you want, but you won't be using this place as your stepping stone any further. Did you seriously think that was going to continue?

Why don't you post the logs of it, our discord server has undergone so many changes the logs of the so called "RC" bashing probably don't even exist anymore.
I offered to invite you to the discord server, give you maximum access so you could look into it yourself, of which you didn't want to, we run a no rules server and just rely on people to be sensible and it works out fine, there has been very little drama throughout its now 4 month old life time.
Just to be clear to everyone reading this, @shaitan is blowing it entirely out of proportion, there was a few memes posted about "Vult server gets updated daily, RC gets none in years" (it was literally the shiba meme with the muscle shiba vs the weak looking shiba) that was literally the end of it.
If there is more, which I am unaware of, it's due to your own detriment, people are welcome to their own opinions on stuff.

10 hours ago, ExEric3 said:

So its about me. How I typed in my previous post I can step away. Im sure Vultima will not return since his mod app was posted earlier like his resignation letter here that means it was planned behind scenes. Also was accepted in really short time which means also it was discussed and planned previously at least my opinion.

Well thanks for info about trust level between me and shaitan. Majority of yours playerbase means 25%+ of whole ren players think Im cheating. So thats reason to leave ren completelly and leave it how is it now. So Im resigned also. Thanks and bye.

Il say what I said all along, don't be hasty and treat everyone like the enemy, I can respect it's hard because everyone does see you as the enemy, but do better, prove to people you can do better, and those accusations will fade away.

1 hour ago, UksRene said:

Did inspector get booted ? 
 

if that’s true that he got booted then I resign from moderator position, i disagree with Inspector getting booted cos of what he said about Eric. 
 

i will just play as a normal user. 
 

thanks 

Again, this is cause by senior managements inability to see the forest through the trees and talk things through appropriately, which is one of the reasons I left, I do not agree with the management style at RC.

43 minutes ago, shaitan said:

Yep, and so did some others. If you guys are in the same boat and don't want to be here, let me know. I was going to let people just dwindle away on their own into the night, but screw it.

P.S. Eric isn't leaving. He knew I didn't trust him back then, I told him that before. Now I do.

Moved to general chat.

I'm glad if you can truly work things out with Eric saying so is one thing, doing so is another, give full unrestricted access to the Renegade server, and just perhaps Rencorner will see the first improvement it has in years.

[JonRambo]

14 minutes ago, shaitan said:

You were the second one on that list.

I look forward to the list of in-game and forum actions/words I made to warrant that. Noticed you didn't respond to the rest of that comment.

[crushu06]

This was not my fault i support Gozy.

i just wanted to play ren. If it makes RC feel better i was trying to kick all the newbs out of our lobby wars to keep them in RC. So i tried my best to be a dick for the good of both servers

[Vultima]

I prefer Corbins way of quoting stuff...

> Shaitain: "You just told me the other day you did not have designs on renegade admin. What the fuck does having unilateral decisions regarding what mods get run, what settings get used, does that entail? It's administration...and I was not about to alienate Manuel in any way about it. I told you that in the beginning."

Yes, I didn't have designs on becoming the Renegade Admin I don't care for "power" like a 14 year old edge teen trying to effectively be an e-janitor of a game server, if I cared for power so much why the hell would I throw it all away and resign???
Not once did I try to implement some sort of unilateral decision of how the public server should be run, I proposed solutions and created discussions with staff in discord, not once did I run away with an idea and just implement it flat out, I did however try to fill the void of not having a very well running comwar server, to facilitate the competitive games, which Manny clearly had no interest in so I didn't bother him with it!
I even checked in with Manny when it came to clarifying the freaking stupid ass rule set you have on the server about E-Firing because for YEARS nobody understand the bloody message.


Personally I don't care if someone is a regular, an admin, or whatever, if they have a good proposed solution, I'd be willing to implement it, its EXACTLY how we do things over at the VultServers.

 

[Vultima]

So how many moderators have you lost from this petty squabble in total shai, 4, 5?

How many do you have to lose for it to be a wake up call that something is seriously wrong?

[Vultima]

Wait...

You removed Noot/Magikarp as a senior admin for what LOL, the guy literally did nothing!!!!
You also removed Tuna, what did he do?!?

oh my gosh talk about burning the house down

[nameismud]

16 minutes ago, JonRambo said:

I look forward to the list of in-game and forum actions/words I made to warrant that. Noticed you didn't respond to the rest of that comment.

Honestly you weren’t even around and are clearly here to talk shit. Fuck off

[nameismud]

1 minute ago, Vultima said:

Wait...

You removed Noot/Magikarp as a senior admin for what LOL, the guy literally did nothing!!!!
You also removed Tuna, what did he do?!?

oh my gosh talk about burning the house down

I enjoy both the competitive side of ren and the casual side RC offers. You and your bandwagon are acting like children who don’t get their way. 

[Tuna]

Yeah I also enjoy both competitive ren and the more casual side.

I guess I just won't be kicking afkers and getting PMs/messages constantly from April now about AFKers lol

[Vultima]

I mean I tried to resign peacefully and shai has gone nuclear, thats not on me, what was my very first post about since shai made this public? I said something about it not being a very big brained thing to do, it just welcomes drama...

[XtremePro]

You heard it here first that this would happen.

[JonRambo]

10 minutes ago, nameismud said:

Honestly you weren’t even around and are clearly here to talk shit. Fuck off

Application was accepted (surprised me), so there should be a legitimate reason for action taken against me. Otherwise, you're just saying mods/admins don't matter.