Mines above doors = lame

[MarcPoulet]

ExEric is actually working on this :P

[ExEric3]

3 hours ago, MarcPoulet said:

ExEric is actually working on this :P

U mean this?  

 

[Itai795]

wow Eric that's great

the mines are no longer registered to a player?

[ExEric3]

13 minutes ago, Itai795 said:

wow Eric that's great

the mines are no longer registered to a player?

Im using player join/leave event and create event. Then combine it with other functions like deleting owners and restoring owners.

[Forithow]

Hi @Vultima I'm currently updating the HD maps (done Field and Glacier atm), this is how the proxies will act when mined on the doors, the proxy fix here is for HD maps ONLY btw. Do note that c4s clipping through buildings is not a HD map issue, it's a global renegade issue with how c4s were programmed, but I've been told to just fix them for HD maps so here you go!

Normally when you mine at any door, like this AGT door here, it'd clip through and be invisible from certain spots. As you can see in this video, they're visible and disarmable, so no more clipping through the ceiling, it'll still be a good tactic for defending team to mine those doors, but at least the attacking team can clearly see it and disarm them. This fix will be applicable to any spot on all HD maps, so tunnels/doors/any ceiling.

Here's a difference with the same spot in the bar tunnel on glacier_flying_hd.

Video without the proxy fix (aka how it normally is on all maps)

 

and here's the video with the proxy fix (ONLY on hd maps)

 

 

[Vultima]

That looks infinitely times better!

[iK4l3l]

I die when i walk in a door crouching.. has the change been reverted?

[ExEric3]

30 minutes ago, iK4l3l said:

I die when i walk in a door crouching.. has the change been reverted?

Yep its removed/disabled.

[iK4l3l]

2 minutes ago, ExEric3 said:

Yep its removed/disabled.

I see.. Is it the final decision or still discussing on it?

[ExEric3]

1 hour ago, iK4l3l said:

I see.. Is it the final decision or still discussing on it?

It is final decision from shaitan.

[Iran]

The mines not disarming after playing leaving is something I did about 12 years ago. It's here:

https://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=39407&start=0&rid=25967

 

I also fixed the mining above doors exploit back then by just adding adding a c4 trigger hook (which I think is part of Dragonade) and adding a Z-height check, like 10 years ago

 

[code]

bool Main_Hooks::C4_Detonate_Request_Event(C4GameObj *C4, SmartGameObj *Triggerer) {

    // Proxy c4 only
    if (Get_C4_Mode(C4) == 3) {

        float TriggerZ = Commands->Get_Position(Triggerer).Z;
        float C4Z = Commands->Get_Position(C4).Z;

        // Fix Proxy c4 damage when mining above doors glitch
        if (abs(C4Z - TriggerZ) > 2.f) {
            return false;
        }

        //DA::Host_Message("C4 Z: %f, trigger Z: %f", Commands->Get_Position(C4).Z, Commands->Get_Position(Triggerer).Z);
    }
    return true;
}[/code]

 

You'll want to remove the abs(), cause it will prevent triggering when the player is above the proxy too. Haven't tested it without abs() but ought to work, test it with abs() first,

 

[Iran]

In addition to that you could also add some code to Page the player that mines placed above doors will no longer detonate. You can do this by adding a object create hook for proxy c4, adding a script with timer that checks until the proxy c4 no longer moves (position stops changing), waits 0.1 secs, then checks if its attached to a friendly building and about 2.0 units Z-height above the player who is the owner of the c4. Then you page the player and delete the script on the proxy c4.

Edited December 30, 2024 by Iran

[tw1x]

So where do we stand on this? People still constantly put mines above doors and they can’t be disarmed from the outside. Definitely not what the devs wanted when they made the game. Time to ban them 100%

[iK4l3l]

mines above doors should be disallowed

in some maps i dont even see them, i walk in and die

[ExEric3]

12 hours ago, tw1x said:

So where do we stand on this? People still constantly put mines above doors and they can’t be disarmed from the outside. Definitely not what the devs wanted when they made the game. Time to ban them 100%

It will stay how is it. Get it as tactic.

10 hours ago, iK4l3l said:

mines above doors should be disallowed

in some maps i dont even see them, i walk in and die

Some mines u can disarm by changing camera and crouching. It will just require more time.

[tw1x]

6 hours ago, ExEric3 said:

It will stay how is it. Get it as tactic.

Some mines u can disarm by changing camera and crouching. It will just require more time.

Cool. So basically let’s keep letting folks glitch and make buildings inaccessible 

[ExEric3]

40 minutes ago, tw1x said:

Cool. So basically let’s keep letting folks glitch and make buildings inaccessible 

Flamming apc is also glitching? Yeah exactly why we should change stock behaviour and how u will moderate it?

[tw1x]

2 hours ago, ExEric3 said:

Flamming apc is also glitching? Yeah exactly why we should change stock behaviour and how u will moderate it?

I wouldn’t regulate flaming APCs. I don’t see it as a glitch. I also wouldn’t regulate in-out shooting with PICs. But mines above doors that can’t be disarmed is 100% not what was intended with the game. 
 

as for regulation, give folks a warning for a couple weeks. Then if people do it, remove all mines as punishment. If 1 person keeps doing it, kick them for team hampering