Fun Fact: Why Team Stacking Is NOT Right!

January 9

1 hour ago, Goztow said:

I really think people don't 'stack' to win games but they 'stack' to find teamplay. I'll being the lone exception he just 'stacks' to piss people off.

<insert my obligatory reference to the chatfeed hampering teamplay here> :P

January 9

That's why I'd like the return of squads mode. If you enjoy playing with others because you can have team-based gameplay, it's a goal where you want to give 100%. It's like any other game, like Battlefield or others, having the squad function limited to 4 players so you can play with the players you like and be constantly in a team. Okay, Renegade is different in terms of the number of players, but does that make a big difference? I don't think so. In that case, in the other games I mentioned, the developers should remove this feature because players create overpowered squads, and it creates an imbalance. :lmfaox2:

January 9

I disagree:

Modern games have skill-matching features to compensate for squads, Renegade does not.
In modern games, if your team sucks and the other team has a squad of friends destroying you, you can just leave for another server, in Renegade you cannot... RenCorner is the only consistently populated place.
We could spend plenty of time debating if Renegade matches can cope with squads but you cannot deny that since vanilla Renegade gives each and every player no special treatment, and it does not discriminate nor give discretion to anybody, and all players are equal in the eyes of it's team-decider code... that it is inherently fair. The only way it could get better is if it were to look at a player's rank and keep the teams even in terms of rank accumulation... but I don't think that's a thing (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

Make it so that people like playing with whoever is on their team, and the desire for squads will be moot, the overall enjoyment of everybody goes up and iK doesn't create another thread :P

How do you achieve this? Remove unfair features, implement quality of life tweaks and most importantly: facilitate teamplay (by first sorting the chatfeed, did I mention that? haha)

January 9

15 minutes ago, Xylaquin said:

Je ne suis pas d’accord :

Les jeux modernes disposent de fonctions de correspondance de compétences pour compenser les escouades, Renegade non.

Dans les jeux modernes, si ton équipe est nulle et que l’autre équipe a une escouade d’amis qui te détruit, tu peux simplement partir pour un autre serveur, dans Renegade tu ne peux pas... RenCorner est le seul endroit régulièrement peuplé.

On pourrait passer beaucoup de temps à débattre pour savoir si les parties Renegade peuvent gérer les escouades, mais on ne peut pas le nier puisque le Renegade vanilla ne donne aucun traitement spécial à chaque joueur, qu’il ne fait aucune discrimination ni ne laisse de discrétion à personne, et que tous les joueurs sont égaux aux yeux de son code décisif d’équipe... que c’est intrinsèquement juste. La seule façon que cela puisse s’améliorer, c’est de regarder le classement d’un joueur et de maintenir l’égalité des équipes en termes d’accumulation de rangs... mais je ne pense pas que ça existe (quelqu’un me corrige si je me trompe)

Faites en sorte que les gens aiment jouer avec n’importe qui dans leur équipe, et que le désir d’avoir des équipes soit vain, que le plaisir global de tout le monde augmente et que iK ne crée pas un autre fil de discussion :P

Comment y parvenir ? Supprimer des fonctionnalités injustes, mettre en place des ajustements de qualité de vie et surtout : faciliter le jeu d’équipe (en triant d’abord le fil de discussion, ai-je mentionné ça ? haha)

From what I remember, when Squads was still active, very few players used this feature, just 2 or 3 max per team of 2 or 3, which was limited, and this was resolved after 3 matches. It wasn't active with fewer than 22 or 24 players, if I recall correctly. So, with so many players, there are still good players on both opposing teams; that doesn't change the imbalance.

January 9

36 minutes ago, Xylaquin said:

I disagree:

Modern games have skill-matching features to compensate for squads, Renegade does not.

In modern games, if your team sucks and the other team has a squad of friends destroying you, you can just leave for another server, in Renegade you cannot... RenCorner is the only consistently populated place.

We could spend plenty of time debating if Renegade matches can cope with squads but you cannot deny that since vanilla Renegade gives each and every player no special treatment, and it does not discriminate nor give discretion to anybody, and all players are equal in the eyes of it's team-decider code... that it is inherently fair. The only way it could get better is if it were to look at a player's rank and keep the teams even in terms of rank accumulation... but I don't think that's a thing (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

Make it so that people like playing with whoever is on their team, and the desire for squads will be moot, the overall enjoyment of everybody goes up and iK doesn't create another thread :P

How do you achieve this? Remove unfair features, implement quality of life tweaks and most importantly: facilitate teamplay (by first sorting the chatfeed, did I mention that? haha)

The chatfeed was cleaned in the last year; some informations were removed because it was indeed full of barely useful informations, vet points were moved. There is still a lot of informations, like kills etc but I think it's a bit in the RC spirit, it was weird when we tested with them removed.

January 9

1 hour ago, MarcPoulet said:

The chatfeed was cleaned in the last year; some informations were removed because it was indeed full of barely useful informations, vet points were moved. There is still a lot of informations, like kills etc but I think it's a bit in the RC spirit, it was weird when we tested with them removed.

yeah it would be weird at first, but it'd make a world of difference to comms and coordination. I think it could even work if the killfeed remains but everything else was gone, but my detailed thread on this subject was locked.

2 hours ago, Assault said:

From what I remember, when Squads was still active, very few players used this feature, just 2 or 3 max per team of 2 or 3, which was limited, and this was resolved after 3 matches. It wasn't active with fewer than 22 or 24 players, if I recall correctly. So, with so many players, there are still good players on both opposing teams; that doesn't change the imbalance.

that sounds reasonable, but still technically any kind of stacking is unfair by definition.

Edited January 9 by Xylaquin

January 10

The squads thing was horrible... you had all the good snipers, tankers on one team and the suckers on the other...

Yeah, I used it too to play with my friends on voicechat but it felt wrong.

I'm personally very happy to see it gone.

When you join a game, you should always be on the team you initially joined imo.... only allow !rtc shit at the early start of a game...

Imagine you're watching a football game, and Cristiano Ronaldo changes to the opposite team after 45 min, and make his initial team lose.... If I were his teammate, I'd call him a fucking loser lmao.

And that's what I think of people using that on Ren mid or late game. (unless there is a good reason, but few are imo).

Finish what you started. It sucks having a team that doesn't listen, but if I get too upset with my team, I'll just leave the game and play something else tbh...

January 10

3 hours ago, D4rX said:

The squads thing was horrible... you had all the good snipers, tankers on one team and the suckers on the other...

Yeah, I used it too to play with my friends on voicechat but it felt wrong.

I'm personally very happy to see it gone.

When you join a game, you should always be on the team you initially joined imo.... only allow !rtc shit at the early start of a game...

Imagine you're watching a football game, and Cristiano Ronaldo changes to the opposite team after 45 min, and make his initial team lose.... If I were his teammate, I'd call him a fucking loser lmao.

And that's what I think of people using that on Ren mid or late game. (unless there is a good reason, but few are imo).

Finish what you started. It sucks having a team that doesn't listen, but if I get too upset with my team, I'll just leave the game and play something else tbh...

Squads was terrible. i remember that game where ILL, me and AprilWar were in 1 squad and we destroyed 6 maps within 10 minutes dropping the server from 40 players to 8 players in 20 minutes or so?? in anyways Renegade night was over in a nutshell.

That for sure is good to have it gone. 100%

Also for people like Cooldude7, yelling that !tc should come back (which is back already)... for the 3 hours it was up, teams were balanced, people played the game, the battles were good. The good thing about it, is you have a team that must play together, rather than having people changing teams to play with their brother or friends, stacking the opposite team even more.

the other side effect was more that a team can drop to 11 vs 15 or so without anyone joining fast enough. I would in that case if possible just auto swap last in line.

But to topic, those 3 hours were fun! Shai mentioned that it took like a hour before people even noticed.

Just make sure .. no one will avoid each other *cough cough french brothers cough cough*

Edited January 10 by NLsRene

January 10

2 hours ago, NLsRene said:

Also people like Cooldude7, immediatly yelling that !tc should come back (which is back already)...

what does "people like cooldude7" mean :thefuck:

am I not allowed to have an opinion? is requesting to maintain the status quo wrong? this whole topic is founded on the premise of "i don't like it, please make a change" and I'm saying "leave it as is".

how very unreasonable of me

January 10

31 minutes ago, cooldude7 said:

what does "people like cooldude7" mean

am I not allowed to have an opinion? is requesting to maintain the status quo wrong? this whole topic is founded on the premise of "i don't like it, please make a change" and I'm saying "leave it as is".

how very unreasonable of me

EDIT: I forgot to place the word 'for' in front of "people like cooldude7". it should be "Also for people like Cooldude7 yelling that !tc should come back." .... "For the 3 hours it was up .... etc etc."

More as in talking to you guys, explaining what 3 hours of *it* being off felt like. i dind't mean no harm.

i accept your opinion.

Edited January 10 by NLsRene

January 10

24 minutes ago, cooldude7 said:

what does "people like cooldude7" mean

Damn, first ever renegade-racial profiling :lunar2019piginablanket:

January 10

3 hours ago, NLsRene said:

EDIT: I forgot to place the word 'for' in front of "people like cooldude7". it should be "Also for people like Cooldude7 yelling that !tc should come back." .... "For the 3 hours it was up .... etc etc."

More as in talking to you guys, explaining what 3 hours of *it* being off felt like. i dind't mean no harm.

i accept your opinion.

January 10

12 hours ago, NLsRene said:

Also for people like Cooldude7, yelling that !tc should come back (which is back already)... for the 3 hours it was up, teams were balanced, people played the game, the battles were good. The good thing about it, is you have a team that must play together, rather than having people changing teams to play with their brother or friends, stacking the opposite team even more.

the other side effect was more that a team can drop to 11 vs 15 or so without anyone joining fast enough. I would in that case if possible just auto swap last in line.

I wanted to leave it off for a day or two to make a point, but couldn't with all of the drama it was going to bring(well, I could've...but felt bad doing that to make a point lol). What you seen was what I told you that day: the only reason it wasn't fucked beyond repair were the -new- players that kept joining to fix it. If they had been in the game earlier, and returned, it would have made things bad(they'd of been on the team they left most likely).

January 11

On 1/8/2026 at 2:20 PM, NLsRene said:

Yes people stack, i change teams 4-5 times if i am sniping myself, because it gets bored when they won't show themselves or to scared to get into the tunnels. then i change to have some fun and actually fight someone rather than waiting 30 minutes.

this is just as useless...... u can do that on A SNIPER SERVER. but yet you choose to be useless and snipe in tun all day. U rather wait 30 mins instead of invading the enemy base or even TRY to place a beacon.

Im sorry but u lack the skill and knowledge in order to complain who has how to play...........

u should try the competitive server. about 50% of them carry the same arrogancy brainrot god complex as you......

Edited January 11 by LolOm

January 11

4 hours ago, LolOm said:

this is just as useless...... u can do that on A SNIPER SERVER. but yet you choose to be useless and snipe in tun all day. U rather wait 30 mins instead of invading the enemy base or even TRY to place a beacon.

Im sorry but u lack the skill and knowledge in order to complain who has how to play...........

u should try the competitive server. about 50% of them carry the same arrogancy brainrot god complex as you......

LMAO right Mr. i shoot tunnels with a mammy for 4 hours in under.

I don’t snipe all the time either, stop seeiing me as only being a sniper you fucking loser.

All you do is sit in a mammy crying about dieying by snipers. Hey guess what? You suck at the game no one cares.

if i want to snipe because i tried to get my team to be in a tank and they won’t listen. I will do that, if i see our team has more snipers in their tunnels and i don’t want to tank, i change teams to have fun killing n00bs like you.

Moron, don’t tell me i don’t play actually AOW. If you think you are that much better, go try to retake field on under/field with 50 players.

2 days in a row you have been shooting tunnels with a mammy for hours 😂 staying on 220 points!! For fucking hours! Your dick must be as big as your skill in this game.

Edited January 11 by NLsRene

January 11

Don't mine him he's just some sperg kid that got access to internet and started trolling.

He also goes AFK when on low player counts and he's on my team just to make us lose.

January 11

11 hours ago, shaitan said:

I wanted to leave it off for a day or two to make a point, but couldn't with all of the drama it was going to bring(well, I could've...but felt bad doing that to make a point lol). What you seen was what I told you that day: the only reason it wasn't fucked beyond repair were the -new- players that kept joining to fix it. If they had been in the game earlier, and returned, it would have made things bad(they'd of been on the team they left most likely).

So basically people can still teamchange at their own leisure again... The command needs to be nerfed or regulated more.

Teamchanging to a winning team in the mid/late game is a real lame, and inexcusable move to do. I remember someone teamchanged in the last 5 min of a game, just see his name on the winning team end-screen. And it didn't happen only once...

What happened to the "if teams are uneven, moderators need to change themselves first"? Is that still in effect?

:bananallama:

Edited January 11 by D4rX
Forgot the lama.

January 11

get over it, it is just a public game..

everyone is free to play the way they enjoy it, as long as they obey the rules and do not cheat..

some like going sbh, some like tanking, some like sniping, some like beatin tun with arty, some like chatting, some like repairing...

quit telling ppl how they should be playing..

if anyone is looking for 100% teamplay, a clan war or renewars is the right place..

January 11

A game with constant teamchanging people is not fun for any logic-minded person. You want to win in fair, friendly environment.

Teamchangers get flamed while they do it, and drama happens, or other people do leave too. (that's the worst consequence imo, when other people leave the servers cause of teamchanging people).

So that's why I think it should be disabled at some point when the game already started for a reasonable time.

Edited January 11 by D4rX
Edited cause I missed a part of IK4's post.

January 11

3 minutes ago, D4rX said:

And that's where you're wrong. Being a public server is not a free pass to play as you want.

do you mean we are not free just to go sbh, or repair base, or snipe, or tank all game?

January 11

5 minutes ago, D4rX said:

If that would be the case, cheaters could play the way they want to as well.

i said as long as they do not cheat..

January 11

6 minutes ago, D4rX said:

And that's why there are rules in place. To avoid abuse of existing commands for your own profit.

i also said as long as they do obey the rules..

January 11

6 minutes ago, D4rX said:

Teamchanging mid/late game is just as disgusting as teamhampering.

totally agree to this one..

January 11

7 minutes ago, D4rX said:

You're telling 'we' should stop telling how people should play, but yet you're doing the same thing.

what you mean i am doing the same thing?..

i never tell anyone how they should be playing..

January 11

6 minutes ago, iK4l3l said:

do you mean we are not free just to go sbh, or repair base, or snipe, or tank all game?

That's the thing, where is the grey zone?

A pointwhore likes points, he will whore buildings even though their opponents ref's dead? Is that acceptable or teamhamper?

A guy who buys SBH all the game long, doing nothing but wandering about field. Aka that's one less useful guy on Nod. Is that acceptable or teamhamper?

A guy who snipes all game long sniping free infantry for 3 hours after the HON/Bar is dead. Is that OK or is that being useless, cause you could instead get a tank and help end the game?

Ren's environment has changed since the old times and got to the point more people get infuriated with those kind of shit.

I even stopped whoring buildings after a ref dies, cause I used to keep whoring too. But now I noticed, more people, get aggitated cause of it, and I don't want to become the local idiot of this community.

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