Forced voting

[Xylaquin]

Last night I was pleasantly surprised to experience an actual forced vote:

Contrary to what some people would have you believe, when the time limit was added:

• everyone didn't leave
• the server stayed pretty much full into the next map, Complex
• the server remained full into the next round and beyond!

Forced polls prove the appetite of the current players beyond debate, and voting allows the players to self-regulate the experience on the server.
If the majority feels like a marathon, a marathon it shall be, if the majority wants to skip the current map, then it shall be skipped.
And if I don't like the result, I can't complain it's abusive mods or that people don't realise... no, everyone playing has decided.

 

But there is (currently?) a downside: it immediately pauses the game for everyone, disrupting the delicate situation they may be in.

Is it possible to make the voting system the same interface as the normal one, allowing the player to continue BUT if they don't vote in the first 20 seconds THEN it shows the full screen one for the remain 10 seconds forcing them to make a choice. This would mean players are still forced to ultimately decide, but they are given the chance to not be disrupted if they actually respond to the vote when it first appears.

I hope the way I've described it makes sense.

[Forithow]

I personally don't like to start force votes since it's too disruptive so why did I start one? Yeah I did a forced vote yesterday to add time limit because 50% or more players kept voting in a poll (aka 30 votes or more in total out of 60) and it was consistant with non-forced polls in the last hour, so it was clear that people wanted to a poll. It's mostly reserved for games with many players but shouldn't be abused too often. Only done two forced polls (one was on glacier and one was here on Land_HD). If people were polling and only like 10 people voted, then I wouldn't have done it.

I dunno who did the 2nd force vote for removing time limit towards the end of the match but it was clear that people didn't want it to be marathon so happy to see that fail. I do agree that it's a bit disruptive but it's the only way to get people to vote for something. I think pressing the button should let you continue playing after since you already voted, and if you changed your mind, you can just type in !vote yes/vote no.

[iK4l3l]

what happenes if we do not vote a forced poll?

[Xylaquin]

This isn't abuse at all, but yeah see my last paragraph.

 

29 minutes ago, iK4l3l said:

what happenes if we do not vote a forced poll?

You sit, unable to play for 30-40 seconds, then live with the result. We can see in this screenshot that 6 people didn't vote, they must have been AFK.

[Seal1908]

 

On 1/11/2026 at 11:42 AM, iK4l3l said:

what happenes if we do not vote a forced poll?

  on the second Forced vote I rebelled and waited to see what happens if you dont vote. Nada.

[Xylaquin]

maybe non-voters should be kicked :P since they're either AFK or trolling

[NLsRene]

10 hours ago, Xylaquin said:

maybe non-voters should be kicked :P since they're either AFK or trolling

Maybe ‘force voters’ should just play the marathon map as intended, instead of skipping it, adding time, force to move on. 
 

There are timed games and marathon games, if a normal poll doesn’t work. Then leave it. The only time a forced vote should be activated is when it is pp vs pp or ref vs ref. 
 

Again, what is the point in having marathon maps, if you just force vote them in the end? Most long term marathon games, keep the server filled and i rather play with 60 players than i do with <20 players. 
 

every building was still up, there was no reason to force vote the map. 

[BIGMACK]

I once played glacier_flying Nod Repair Pad vs GDI Repair Pad and im so glad there was no force vote. Like nlsrene said - I would also agree to use force vote if its a pp vs pp or something like this. (but im always in for a long war with few buildings until the better team wins)

[Xylaquin]

8 hours ago, NLsRene said:

what is the point in having marathon maps, if you just force vote them in the end? Most long term marathon games, keep the server filled and i rather play with 60 players than i do with <20 players. 

 

On 1/11/2026 at 3:11 PM, Xylaquin said:

Contrary to what some people would have you believe, when the time limit was added:

• everyone didn't leave
• the server stayed pretty much full into the next map, Complex
• the server remained full into the next round and beyond!

Forced polls prove the appetite of the current players beyond debate, and voting allows the players to self-regulate the experience on the server.
If the majority feels like a marathon, a marathon it shall be, if the majority wants to skip the current map, then it shall be skipped.
And if I don't like the result, I can't complain it's abusive mods or that people don't realise... no, everyone playing has decided.

 

[D4rX]

I'm curious, was the effect the same when the time limit was removed on timed maps?

To be honest, this is only showing one side of the coin....

Also, this is just one occasion, more often than not people will complain if you alter the time limit... doesn't matter if it's AoW or marathon. RC has an audience who like them both.

As stated before above by NlsRene, what is the point of having a mixed server with both AoW or marathon, if they're just going to poll everything to what the majority wants? The majority of the people can't even mine right lol. I wouldn't want my fate be put in the majority of Ren... 

A server is not a full democracy... Admins and staff have the final say, not the players...

The polling is giving them too much power imo. Only mods/admins should be able to initiate poll to end the map in worst case scenarios or to add time limit.

I would even go that far by removing the polling system which involve skipping/tampering with the time limit on a map.... 

Just my 2 cents though...

Edited January 15 by D4rX

[Xylaquin]

That's effectively saying "no, if the majority of the players on the server in any given moment don't feel like the current map/mode, they should be forced to tolerate the negative playing experience just because"

I'm not even advocating to turn the server into a AOW-only server, I'm merely saying that it should match the current appetite of the players within the server.

When you're playing a game that has a community only large enough to populate one server, why would you not want to create a positive play experience based on what most of the players in that specific moment of time, want?

[NLsRene]

1 hour ago, Xylaquin said:

That's effectively saying "no, if the majority of the players on the server in any given moment don't feel like the current map/mode, they should be forced to tolerate the negative playing experience just because"

I'm not even advocating to turn the server into a AOW-only server, I'm merely saying that it should match the current appetite of the players within the server.

When you're playing a game that has a community only large enough to populate one server, why would you not want to create a positive play experience based on what most of the players in that specific moment of time, want?

^ first a normal poll, it didn't pass, so they forced it = totally bs, mod abuse and already pissed many people off. they might have stayed but complex was over in minutes and greenery2 everyone left till 26/28  players and then the maps after it ended up with 8 or so. 

THEN THE SECOND ONE in the same map within 40 minutes to remove timer again!  bs forced votes. 
 

So first people started a normal poll, then a force vote immediatly after that, and not even 40 minutes later a second force vote to remove timer. 

Yes people stayed in complex, maybe at start of greenery, but I personally was already frustrated for the rest of my game time due to mods abusing powers. My biggest problem to this? We play 5-6 hour field untill players destroy either bases, but as soon as we have 1 hour and 36 minutes of Land_HD, we get a forced vote. No one asked for it in-game, just a mod starting it... twice!  As said if you want to have AOW only, then remove marathon and make every match last 2.5 hours and remove the poll system. If you want to keep marathon because, maps like field and under most of the time will always have many players for the 5-6 hours it lasts + the maps beyond.. then stop using FORCED VOTES on maps where everything is still up!!! You can always hit escape and exit and play something else while we finish, what you can't.  

So my question to the mods, why do we have a fucking retarded big ass square in our screen for every poll that comes up, if you will start a force vote anyways? Make a choice there mates. 
 

Edited January 16 by NLsRene

[D4rX]

5 hours ago, Xylaquin said:

That's effectively saying "no, if the majority of the players on the server in any given moment don't feel like the current map/mode, they should be forced to tolerate the negative playing experience just because"

I'm not even advocating to turn the server into a AOW-only server, I'm merely saying that it should match the current appetite of the players within the server.

When you're playing a game that has a community only large enough to populate one server, why would you not want to create a positive play experience based on what most of the players in that specific moment of time, want?

We can apply it from the other point of view too: 'let's force vote to make a negative experience for all the rest who do not agree to time it'. In either case, you have unhappy people...

Why do some players complain all the time about "oh no it's Field again!!!!" and yet play them for many hours? lol

If we think logically, one would leave the game, to play something they enjoy instead, but nope, they keep playing the map they're sick of!

So we can conclude fairly, people still join a map they hate super-much because:

1. They feel they don't have a choice (which makes zero sense, because they could do something fun instead);
2. They want to vote it as soon as possible, either by making it timed or voteskip. (thus making an x-percentage upset of the ingame players).

I wish people would be more tolerant about what their fellow-players want too sometimes...

If I dislike a map or think it's taking too long, I'll just leave and let other people enjoy. No way i'm going to start a poll, to ruin other people's day lol.

A marathon is what it is... it's only supposed to end when all buildings are destroyed.  But hey, I even learned to appreciate timed Fields cause of the kick for points in the last minutes and secure the win.

[Xylaquin]

29 minutes ago, D4rX said:

I wish people would be more tolerant about what their fellow-players want too sometimes...

......but that's exactly what I'm advocating for.... what the majority want. And how do we determine who needs to be tolerant towards who? By polling the players.

4 hours ago, NLsRene said:

I personally was already frustrated for the rest of my game time due to mods abusing powers.

How can it be mod abuse when it's a poll? The result is decided by the players, not the mods. Mod abuse would be to reject the result of the polls and say "nah, I'm going to 

[D4rX]

44 minutes ago, Xylaquin said:

......but that's exactly what I'm advocating for.... what the majority want. And how do we determine who needs to be tolerant towards who? By polling the players.

You can't take a poll in Ren as a standard about what 'most' of them wants... it's the sheep effect... if they see a few vote yes, others do follow without thinking what they actually want...  the average ren-player isn't all that bright.

But would you have posted the same topic if the no voters would have won? (rhetorical question btw).

I believe 'no' would have won if the no-voters were inititally winning at the start of the poll... many sheep would have followed their imaginary shepherd. In this case, I'd imagine yes was winning a lot at the early start of the poll...and thus the snowball effect: "hey people vote yes, so should I cause it's cool!!!!"

What would happen if you casted a vote but still can change your vote during the poll? People could possibly change their minds during a poll after casting their vote, depending how the poll evolves...

Btw, I think it's better to not vote, than vote if you're on the 'no' side.

[NLsRene]

1 hour ago, Xylaquin said:

......but that's exactly what I'm advocating for.... what the majority want. And how do we determine who needs to be tolerant towards who? By polling the players.

How can it be mod abuse when it's a poll? The result is decided by the players, not the mods. Mod abuse would be to reject the result of the polls and say "nah, I'm going to 

Mod abuse, because only a mod can make a force vote. THE NORMAL POLL did not pass. So there you go the majority didn’t want it to pass. So fuck off with forced votes. I am done with this discussion. 
 

IF YOU can’t handle marathon games, go play barbie revolution 2 or something. But stop ruining the fun for those that like marathon games. 
 

don’t come up with bs as in “the majority” wanted it after the force vote. You clearly didn’t see the first video showing a normall POLL which is visible to even them who have bad eyes as it is right in your screen when it pops up. 
 

Forcing a poll in a marathon game after 1.36 hours 🖕🏽 Where are the force votes in under and field after 5 hours?? (Please don’t by the way, i will just leave the game and play something else worth playing for). 
 

For the last fucking time i will say it AGAIN. IF YOU CAN’T finish a marathon game, just leave because we will end it the way it is intended. It is called marathon for a reason. 
 

Sorry man, but your words make 0 sense in this case. All you people do is vote, and then leave the next game either way. And instead of just leaving, you want to destroy our fun right? It is AOW + MARATHON, live with it.
 

soory for my language by the way, just read over it hehe.  

Edited January 16 by NLsRene

[D4rX]

Now, now, NLsRene, the guy is trying to have a normal debate. That's how a debate goes, you read each other's arguments and try to learn new perspective... The f-words aren't necessary imo.

I might have missed it, but how long did that map last before the forced poll?

[Xylaquin]

2 hours ago, NLsRene said:

THE NORMAL POLL did not pass. So there you go the majority didn’t want it to pass.

The whole reason why forced votes even exist is because normal polls only represent the will of those who bother voting.

That's why I'm saying make the normal poll mandatory after 20 seconds:

• This would mean it wouldn't pause the game and disrupt players.
• It would give everyone 20 seconds to vote yes or no, allowing them to continue doing what they're doing
• But for those who still haven't taken a brief moment to vote in those 20 seconds, then the remaining 10 seconds it's forced just for them. Those who already voted don't get disrupted.
• When the polls finished, since everyone would have voted, the result would be undeniably accurate

2 hours ago, NLsRene said:

IF YOU can’t handle marathon games, go play barbie revolution 2 or something. But stop ruining the fun for those that like marathon games. 

You seem to think this is about me wanting to turn RenCorner into an AOW server. Again, that's not the case.
YOU ARE RIGHT, if there was a vote and the majority of players undeniably decided something different to me, I would have to stfu and deal with it.

 

2 hours ago, D4rX said:

What would happen if you casted a vote but still can change your vote during the poll? People could possibly change their minds during a poll after casting their vote, depending how the poll evolves...

True, so to avoid the alleged sheep effect simply disable the ability to change your vote whilst the poll is active.

Problem solved.

Edited January 16 by Xylaquin