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[bad2gurlz]

Good points m0a0n7er and bad2.

As a Christian I can assure that Christians have, in past history, done their share of killing in the name of God.

Even to the extent of Christian sects (Catholic and Protestant) killing each other. In the same way that there is now violent conflict between Sunni and Shia Muslims.

The part I really don't understand, and would be delighted if either of you could explain is, if Jesus Christ is acknowledged in the Qu'ran as a prophet why do some Muslims believe that his followers (Christians) must be killed because they are Infidels?

It seems to me Islam and Christianity have more in common than they do differences, yet still we cannot live in peace with each other, or ourselves.

Gumby

Good question gumbo,

Well Islam and Christianity have more in common because they came from the same light God. First of all it's not acceptable for a Muslim to kill a Muslim or a non Muslim. Second off all, all the so-called Muslims think Christians should be killed because not that you believe in Jesus but you believe that he is son of a god.

Every Muslim has an obligation to believe in the prophets including Jesus but naming him as a son of a god is unacceptable. There is only one god and he has no son nor he is a son.

Any other question I will be happy to answer.

Oh and also the last prophet Muhammad pbuh is also acknowledge in the bible.

[StJohn Gumby]

So you're telling me that the so called radical Muslims believe that Christians should be killed because they believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?

 

One of the best known verses of the Christian Bible is John 3:16.

 

'For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not die, but have everlasting life'

 

Christianity is (supposed to be) a religion based on love, tolerance and understanding of our fellow men.

 

Those who commit sins will be forgiven if they truly repent their sins.

 

But my next question is, How do normal, regular Muslims feel about this?

 

i) Doesn't bother them much what Christians believe.

 

ii) Find it insulting to Islam and dislike Christians because of it.

 

iii) Makes them feel angry and insulted (but not quite mad enough to want to kill the Infidels).

 

Hope you guys don't mind me asking,

 

Gumby

[m0a0n7er]

That's similar to judaisem

Prophet Ezekiel said that people who returned to be good their evil times (or sins) will be forgiven and vice versa, if saints are making sins in the end of their lives their good times will be forgotten too.

There's a similarlity between judaism and christianity in that issue.

Also, prophet Ezekiel was speaking in rough times when the first temple was destroyed and the people of Israel were exiled to Babel, he was trying to regain or restore the faith and moral to the people by giving them hope to salvation.

[BeerBaron]

Have I mentioned that I love the internet?

[D4rX]

What does this shit has to do with my nickname?

[Joetorp]

What does this shit has to do with my nickname?

How many people get to have their name on the subject line and get an interesting conversation and a good debate (earlier posts) going?  Consider yourself the chosen one.

[faction]

So you're telling me that the so called radical Muslims believe that Christians should be killed because they believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?

 

One of the best known verses of the Christian Bible is John 3:16.

 

'For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not die, but have everlasting life'

 

Christianity is (supposed to be) a religion based on love, tolerance and understanding of our fellow men.

 

Those who commit sins will be forgiven if they truly repent their sins.

 

But my next question is, How do normal, regular Muslims feel about this?

 

i) Doesn't bother them much what Christians believe.

 

ii) Find it insulting to Islam and dislike Christians because of it.

 

iii) Makes them feel angry and insulted (but not quite mad enough to want to kill the Infidels).

 

Hope you guys don't mind me asking,

 

Gumby

The main reason why radicals hate Christians is probably that reason and many more to come. I think what he was trying to say is that some "radicalized" Muslims kill Christians because of that exact reason, but not limited to that solely. Killings of these innocent people currently does boil down to one point, which is acceptance of the caliphate. Much of what you hear today in the Middle East is regarding Iraq and Syria, and other countries. Within some of these countries are what these radicalized Muslims proposed -- a Caliphate with the leader of Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi. As his leadership continues and people of the Islamic State continue to strive for land, they will meet other religious groups -- and they have the option to either convert to Islam (if you are Christian or a Shi'a Muslim), or pay the religious tax (for Christians only). You'll have to submit allegiance to the caliphate and do one the aforementioned or you're a goner. This may sound like some editorial, but it's not. Most of the time they will kill you right off the bat. Where did these crazies come from? No clue. But it's definitely not what the majority of Muslims believe in.

 

What can be said about these terrorists is that there's a mutual hatred that they have towards Muslims who don't follow their theological jurisprudence, as well as others like Christians. 

 

There is no obligation of killing any Christians whether they believe Jesus is the Son of God or not. One of many differences with Islam and Christianity, however, is that we don't believe Jesus was crucified, nor do we believe that he was the Son of God. (as well as we believe he's ONE god, etc.. the list goes on)

 

As a regular Muslim, I wouldn't want to kill you for any reason. I agree completely 100% with your statement, in that, if sins are committed, rewards are followed with repentance, and those sins may be forgiven if true repentance is there. If your question is because you believe that Jesus is the son of god -- you do you. I don't mind your beliefs as much as the next guy. Your spiritual path is between you and God.

 

 

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. (Quran 1:1)

 

The first line of the Quran on the first chapter states that God is the most merciful and beneficent. Muslims recite this line daily and acknowledge that God is indeed forgiving and generous.

 

I hope my post made some sense. It feels like I typed a jumble of words. I will be happy to reiterate if needed. And feel free to ask more questions.

[Joetorp]

It took the killing of 5 US Marines in Chattanooga, TN to finally get CAIR to denounce these senseless killings, My question to you is where the hell was your community when the towers fell in NYC.  All I heard was silence and saw on television the people in Palestine dancing in the streets!  I didn't hear a peep from the Muslim community when ISIS beheaded 20 Christians in Libya and so on and so on.  Quiet, when Radicals of Muslim beliefs take over Mosques and use them as a launching ground for attacks.  Silence when Muslims are mascaraed during the Holy days.

 

Your faith may be a peaceful religion, but over the past 14 years, since September 11, 2001, when there are problems in the world with killings, bombings, suicide bombers, etc. Look who is doing it.  I will qualify that by saying "not all" of the worlds problems are attributed to your faith. 

 

If I am wrong with my perception, help me understand.  

 

Our Rencorner community has a fine group of people from around the world and of all religions, this could be a very good discussion among community members.

Joe

[faction]

It took the killing of 5 US Marines in Chattanooga, TN to finally get CAIR to denounce these senseless killings, My question to you is where the hell was your community when the towers fell in NYC.  All I heard was silence and saw on television the people in Palestine dancing in the streets!  I didn't hear a peep from the Muslim community when ISIS beheaded 20 Christians in Libya and so on and so on.  Quiet, when Radicals of Muslim beliefs take over Mosques and use them as a launching ground for attacks.  Silence when Muslims are mascaraed during the Holy days.

 

Your faith may be a peaceful religion, but over the past 14 years, since September 11, 2001, when there are problems in the world with killings, bombings, suicide bombers, etc. Look who is doing it.  I will qualify that by saying "not all" of the worlds problems are attributed to your faith. 

 

If I am wrong with my perception, help me understand.  

 

Our Rencorner community has a fine group of people from around the world and of all religions, this could be a very good discussion among community members.

Joe

Just a correction for you, there were four Marines and one Navy sailor.

 

CAIR is always on top of the bar denouncing any crimes made by Muslims -- you just don't see it all the time. You can go ahead and see for yourself on their YouTube channel, website, twitter, facebook, and more. Just like any other group, Sheikh, Ulama, Sayed, denounces these heinous crimes. Unless you try and find these condemnations, they aren't going to come to you on a silver platter. The media is the media. The fact is, though, is that we as Muslims don't need to do anything or say anything about these Muslims. We shouldn't be sorry for other people's actions, because we aren't responsible for them. Because of their race, ethnicity, or religion, however, it gets jumbled up and always gets misconstrued by the media with fear mongering in how this religion is connected to that act of violence.

 

The Chatanooga shootings wasn't ISIS, Islam, or anything like that as far as reports go. The problem is that everyone jumps to conclusions, even House Homeland Security Chairman Rep. Mike McCaul said that it was an "ISIS-inspired attack," when in fact this kid happened to be Muslim and was dealing with depression. You don't have to believe this story, and I don't expect you too, but it's not bogus that everyone can have problems, and currently, there have been no ties to him with any radical groups, but with drug and alcohol problems.Obviously I'm not siding with him for such heinous acts, but he may have been suffering from depression, just like other people who have committed such atrocities in America -- people who weren't just exclusive to the Muslim faith. I didn't hear any apologies from anyone over there? 

 

In the events of the WTC, I don't remember anything. I was a kid, and hell, I still am one if you ask me. But that has nothing to do with this. Did you want me to condemn the attacks when they happened because I was Muslim? Because I was roughly five years old at the time, and I sure as hell didn't do anything.

 

It's funny you mention that you didn't hear anything when ISIS beheads Christians -- maybe because you didn't even care to watch the news. I hear condemnations, rallies, you name it because of this sick group. You aren't the only victim, just because you're Christian. I am a Muslim myself and my family has been targeted numerous times because of their beliefs or their association with people, from these sick minded "religious" people. I have been affected directly, but I choose to read the news and understand what's going on. For you, however, it seems you watch the news on a monthly basis.

 

My faith is always targeted and I fear every day of my life not knowing what will happen next. It's like I can't get around ignorance and bigotry. Many Americans don't like Muslims, but also Muslims don't like my particular faith, because of minor theological jurisprudence issues. To make it out that we need to condemn these actions puts the icing on the cake.

 

Because a lot of people who happen to be black steal and kill people -- look who is doing it. It's not just black people, it's other people as well, and the whole race shouldn't have to suffer because of the actions of a couple of poor minded people.

 

I'm not trying to sound angry or be mad at you, because I'm not. But I do want you to know that Muslims don't need to apologize for anything. They don't need to do anything but be themselves. If Islam was truly how these ridiculous terrorists make it out to be -- don't you think the world would be in turmoil by now? Nearly (if not, more) Muslims on the planet -- do they all believe in the crazy ideology of the radicals?

 

Your perception seems that you want Muslims to condemn acts that other Muslims commit. What you don't see is that not only Christians are affected by the crimes of these radicals but Muslims as well. They are effected if not more than anyone else. Not just because they have the weight to carry to condemn the actions, but also that the Muslims in the troubling countries have countless interactions with these crazy people daily.

 

It's like saying one white guy commits a crime, and he happens to be a follower of Christianity. Do all white Christians need to condemn this? Take Timothy McVeigh for example, a Catholic who detonated a bomb at a Federal building.

[Joetorp]

Since I am retired, I can assure you I watch and listen to more news in a week than you watch or listen to in a month.  Let me clarify, since I don’t know where you get your news from, my set is on Fox.

 

“Just a correction for you, there were four Marines and one Navy sailor.”

Noted!

 

My friend, if I offended you, let me say that wasn’t the intent.

I only know what I see and hear.  My wife and I lived in Chattanooga, her family is from there.  You have to admit, the shooter just happened to go and shoot up 2 military facilities when he could have gone to 3 shopping malls loaded with people.  Instead, he drove 15 or 20 minutes to the 1st place then headed back up toward his house to hit the 2^nd one where he crashed thru a fence and went inside to kill members of our military in cold blood.

 

He family sent him to Jordan to live with his uncle for 8 months to get away from bad influences (I assume friends). 

 

I know anyone with depression can commit heinous acts, but I must admit, I haven’t heard of anyone with depression, doing anything like this!

 

I wouldn’t want you to condemn all the attacks because you are Muslim, but because you are human, with values and morals.

 

I don’t want to drag this reply out, so I will say a few more things.

1. My initial comment was directed towards the political aspect of the terrible acts, not individual Muslims such as yourself.

2. You are right, Timothy McVeigh was a white Catholic and he did blow up the (Murrah) Federal building in 1995, and we don’t condemn all white Catholics, and he didn’t say “Allahu Akbar.”

[Volcom]

Well to start out I am going to say I am not religious, but I have studied religion throughout university.

 

My lack of understanding is this:

 

Muhammad came over 500 years after Jesus. He claimed to be a prophet. He implied Jesus was also a prophet, which many sources from biblical text would beg to differ. Jesus had many super natural abilities. Muhammad not so much. He died from a poisoned goat meat. Albeit three years later he still died like any other human would. Is there supposed to be any super natural abilities of a prophet? Or are they just regular people god decided to speak to? If so, why did Muhammad's word seem so much more violent than Jesus? Why does he hate the Jews so much? Jesus, a recognized prophet, said to judge no one. That is only for god to decide. Furthermore, Why do you think there are so many more Muslim extremist groups than Christian?

 

All of the above statements and questions are ones I truly would like an answer to. I seriously don't care for religion at all. I have respect for people that choose that but I do not understand it. The death tolls that have been caused by ones religious beliefs is outrageous to me.  

[vlatkozelka]

Well to start out I am going to say I am not religious, but I have studied religion throughout university.

 

My lack of understanding is this:

Jesus had many super natural abilities. Muhammad not so much.

 

 

 

I'm not so religious myself so I'm gonna answer based on reason and what I see not what I've taught to beleive

 

Mohammed's supernatural ability was to be able to "message" god and to write the Quran . Trust me the Quran is VERY complicated and VERY detailed ... there are even details about how you should prelude before sex for a better effect There are details about commerce , law , everyday life ...

 

But it's not just the details , the way it's written is harder than any book anyone has ever read and people still struggle to decipher some of the things written . Basically it's a miracle in itself , believe it or not

 

 

 

 

Furthermore, Why do you think there are so many more Muslim extremist groups than Christian?

 

 

So you're telling me that the so called radical Muslims believe that Christians should be killed because they believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?

 

 

But my next question is, How do normal, regular Muslims feel about this?

 

i) Doesn't bother them much what Christians believe.

 

ii) Find it insulting to Islam and dislike Christians because of it.

 

iii) Makes them feel angry and insulted (but not quite mad enough to want to kill the Infidels).

 

Hope you guys don't mind me asking,

 

Gumby

Gonna answer both at once here

 

We talked about this on TS a while ago gumby , everyone is lead to believe something either by their parents or the news. It rarely ever happens that a kid would suddenly become open minded and THINKS for once that maybe everyone is lying to him . For example I turn on the news and see " America dropped some bomb here , Israel dropped some bomb there "

 

while you turn the tv on to see " Some radical muslim blew himself up there" ... So I'm like fuck those American terrorists and you're like fuck those muslim ones .

 

So basically volcom those "extremists" you are talking about are everywhere just in a different FORM , it so happens muslim terrorists prefer the crazy ivan method and the Americans (dont ban me ) prefer sitting behind that desk throwing chemical (mainly phosphorus ) bombs on Arabs (only they make Israel do it so they remain clean )... I'm not saying either side are right or wrong , It's just humans going at each other like we do when we try to add some map to the rotation lol

 

If I were you volcom (live in canada) , I'd just turn off the damn news , let the world fuck itself over

 

anyways , I'm just answering your question , I'm basically neutral as most know me here I just talk to anyone .

 

Also gumby , no one should mind you asking .  Asking is MUCH better than remaining ignorant to something and taking sides based on bullshit

[bad2gurlz]

Dident knew this topic was still going on.

Okay hmm.

Well to start out I am going to say I am not religious, but I have studied religion throughout university.

 

My lack of understanding is this:

 

Muhammad came over 500 years after Jesus. He claimed to be a prophet. He implied Jesus was also a prophet, which many sources from biblical text would beg to differ. Jesus had many super natural abilities. Muhammad not so much. He died from a poisoned goat meat. Albeit three years later he still died like any other human would. Is there supposed to be any super natural abilities of a prophet? Or are they just regular people god decided to speak to? If so, why did Muhammad's word seem so much more violent than Jesus? Why does he hate the Jews so much? Jesus, a recognized prophet, said to judge no one. That is only for god to decide. Furthermore, Why do you think there are so many more Muslim extremist groups than Christian?

 

All of the above statements and questions are ones I truly would like an answer to. I seriously don't care for religion at all. I have respect for people that choose that but I do not understand it. The death tolls that have been caused by ones religious beliefs is outrageous to me.

Volcom, Jesus first of all acknowledge the coming of Muhammad, he had the super abilities which were given to him by god and so did Muhammad. Muhammad (pbuh) if you knew him from our side of the story you would also believed him.

It's not his words it's the word of god, he just translates it to us. If you read the Quran for only once you would have then known there is no violence just peace. Who hates the Jews? Not us nor did Muhammad, they have a prophet which we also believe in Moses. The funny thing is Muhammad never hated anyone not even his enemies. These extremists are not Muslims, when you go beyond a certain range a range to the extreme you are no longer Muslim.

It took the killing of 5 US Marines in Chattanooga, TN to finally get CAIR to denounce these senseless killings, My question to you is where the hell was your community when the towers fell in NYC.  All I heard was silence and saw on television the people in Palestine dancing in the streets!  I didn't hear a peep from the Muslim community when ISIS beheaded 20 Christians in Libya and so on and so on.  Quiet, when Radicals of Muslim beliefs take over Mosques and use them as a launching ground for attacks.  Silence when Muslims are mascaraed during the Holy days.

 

Your faith may be a peaceful religion, but over the past 14 years, since September 11, 2001, when there are problems in the world with killings, bombings, suicide bombers, etc. Look who is doing it.  I will qualify that by saying "not all" of the worlds problems are attributed to your faith. 

 

If I am wrong with my perception, help me understand.  

 

Our Rencorner community has a fine group of people from around the world and of all religions, this could be a very good discussion among community members.

Joe

Joe I respect you have great knowledge but it's limited from our side.

You are talking about 20 Christians in Libya ?

Hmm where we're everyone when thousands upon thousands Muslims were brutally murdered in Libya, Palestine , Burma, Iran?

Where we're the people when America specifically sent drones to kill terrorists in Pakistan and yet not a single terrorist died except innocent people, innocent children? I live in Pakistan and I know how it is to live in fear when I just learned my family was killed in a drone attack.

The thing is, when a drone attack kills a child obviously the father will go to war against you, that's not terrorism.

So you're telling me that the so called radical Muslims believe that Christians should be killed because they believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God?

 

One of the best known verses of the Christian Bible is John 3:16.

 

'For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not die, but have everlasting life'

 

Christianity is (supposed to be) a religion based on love, tolerance and understanding of our fellow men.

 

Those who commit sins will be forgiven if they truly repent their sins.

 

But my next question is, How do normal, regular Muslims feel about this?

 

i) Doesn't bother them much what Christians believe.

 

ii) Find it insulting to Islam and dislike Christians because of it.

 

iii) Makes them feel angry and insulted (but not quite mad enough to want to kill the Infidels).

 

Hope you guys don't mind me asking,

 

Gumby

Try reading this,

http://sunnahonline.com/library/the-call-of-islam/483-bible-verses-about-the-prophet-muhammad

http://www.openbible.info/topics/prophet_muhammad

Us regulars what we feel? You are a Christian right? Do I want to kill you because of it, no. I don't care what you believe. That's the point the real people don't care what you do.

Let me ask a question, are you a father? I'm assuming yes (don't take personally, it's just an example) what would you do if someone hurt your child? What if someone killed him? Would you take revenge or drink beer? If Jesus was a son of god, wouldn't god have turned this world upside down? And if you are a god with special powers, how can a mere human kill you?

http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/10_reasons_jesus_not_god.

Any other question I will happily answer.

[bad2gurlz]

Please on my request both gumbo and joe and anyone else read these

http://www.al-islam.org/life-muhammad-prophet-sayyid-saeed-akhtar-rizvi/early-years#prophet-sawa-born

Start from the top left then go down.

Vlat Quran is very easy and simple, if you want to read.

Basically guys if you are here to argue then no one will benefit, but if someone here it to learn something from someone then then he might gain a lot.

[Volcom]

Respectable answers. I don't agree with you saying Jesus predicted Muhammad though. I have heard that argument before and have studied it. There isn't sufficient evidence for me to conclude it actually happened. It was based on some debatable bible verse.

[bad2gurlz]

Respectable answers. I don't agree with you saying Jesus predicted Muhammad though. I have heard that argument before and have studied it. There isn't sufficient evidence for me to conclude it actually happened. It was based on some debatable bible verse.

If you'd like I can give more evidence.

[m0a0n7er]

Hmm where we're everyone when thousands upon thousands Muslims were brutally murdered in Libya, Palestine , Burma, Iran?

I didnt brutally murder anybody.

Kinda offending, i'm sorry.

[bad2gurlz]

I didnt brutally murder anybody.

Kinda offending, i'm sorry.

Same here bro

[m0a0n7er]

Then why are you saying it?

[bad2gurlz]

I meant that neither did I murder anyone yet everyone blames us.

[StJohn Gumby]

Thanks for that info bad2 (and there was a lot of it).

 

I thought the comments at the end of the first article were interesting.

 

I'm still confused, given all the crossreferences in the Bible, why any Muslims should so dislike Christians. I would have thought the Crusades in the Holy Land and the Levant would have been the most cited reason for conflict.

 

And, Vlat, I ask politely because I'm not inviting a fatwa here

 

It's good to be having a rational, intelligent discussion about a serious subject here. It's probably pissing the trolls off too.

 

I'll have to think and digest all the info Bad2 posted. When I have I'll probably come back with lots of questions.

 

Meanwhile, a couple of thoughts, the current geopolitical climate is forcing Muslims to be apologists for those who commit terrorist acts in the name of Islam, crimes for which they are not responsible but feel are being judged as guilty by association.

 

Therefore it seem to me, obvious, that the only way of preventing the spread of Islamic fundamentalism and the atrocities committed in their name is to work together Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindu's and all the other religions.

 

Otherwise I fear the next great war of civilization will be Muslims against Other religions.

 

Gumby

[m0a0n7er]

I meant that neither did I murder anyone yet everyone blames us.

I'll ignore that sentence, we're still friends

[bad2gurlz]

I'll ignore that sentence, we're still friends

Besties

Thanks for that info bad2 (and there was a lot of it).

 

I thought the comments at the end of the first article were interesting.

 

I'm still confused, given all the crossreferences in the Bible, why any Muslims should so dislike Christians. I would have thought the Crusades in the Holy Land and the Levant would have been the most cited reason for conflict.

 

And, Vlat, I ask politely because I'm not inviting a fatwa here

 

It's good to be having a rational, intelligent discussion about a serious subject here. It's probably pissing the trolls off too.

 

I'll have to think and digest all the info Bad2 posted. When I have I'll probably come back with lots of questions.

 

Meanwhile, a couple of thoughts, the current geopolitical climate is forcing Muslims to be apologists for those who commit terrorist acts in the name of Islam, crimes for which they are not responsible but feel are being judged as guilty by association.

 

Therefore it seem to me, obvious, that the only way of preventing the spread of Islamic fundamentalism and the atrocities committed in their name is to work together Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindu's and all the other religions.

 

Otherwise I fear the next great war of civilization will be Muslims against Other religions.

 

Gumby

And I'll happily answer any question

To prevent a Further deaths of innocent people we have to work together.

[bad2gurlz]

To learn one must keep a neutral stance in which accepting both its positive and negative aspects but if one is only focusing on the negative point he may never agree on the positive point no matter how true it is and vice versa.

[faction]

Since I am retired, I can assure you I watch and listen to more news in a week than you watch or listen to in a month.  Let me clarify, since I don’t know where you get your news from, my set is on Fox.

 

“Just a correction for you, there were four Marines and one Navy sailor.”

Noted!

 

My friend, if I offended you, let me say that wasn’t the intent.

I only know what I see and hear.  My wife and I lived in Chattanooga, her family is from there.  You have to admit, the shooter just happened to go and shoot up 2 military facilities when he could have gone to 3 shopping malls loaded with people.  Instead, he drove 15 or 20 minutes to the 1st place then headed back up toward his house to hit the 2^nd one where he crashed thru a fence and went inside to kill members of our military in cold blood.

 

He family sent him to Jordan to live with his uncle for 8 months to get away from bad influences (I assume friends). 

 

I know anyone with depression can commit heinous acts, but I must admit, I haven’t heard of anyone with depression, doing anything like this!

 

I wouldn’t want you to condemn all the attacks because you are Muslim, but because you are human, with values and morals.

 

I don’t want to drag this reply out, so I will say a few more things.

1. My initial comment was directed towards the political aspect of the terrible acts, not individual Muslims such as yourself.

2. You are right, Timothy McVeigh was a white Catholic and he did blow up the (Murrah) Federal building in 1995, and we don’t condemn all white Catholics, and he didn’t say “Allahu Akbar.”

I may have overdone my first post, so my apologies! It was not my goal to come off as angry or anything like that.