BunkersTS

[Feda]

Ok, everyone knows I'm obsessed with this map, but now honestly, niagra is in and bunkers not? lol. Everytime i join niagra everyone (including myself) is trying to skip that shit, and its a TERRIBLE huge-sized shit map. Bunkers is perfect, not too big not too small, has great music and plays good plus great looking, and yet it isn't in the rotation.

 

How about we add Bunkers? I posted this in the public section so others can give input, so shai can't say "omg feda asking for bunkers again but no one else does" :v

[Delusional]

I'm up for bunker_ts. It's quite a good map and I remember having some good big games in several servers in the past years. Plus it's not a bottleneck map like almost all maps, has several entrances and ways for infantry and vehicles. Also, the music is great, and having bio, uphill and specially niagra, but not bunker_ts seems like a terrible crime to ren.

[ehh]

might wanna fix the prices tho

 

iirc arts are 700 and nod cant buy apcs because recons are there instead

 

so gdi can flood them with apcs hella easy early game

 

and gdi has the easiest early game too, nod cant really sneak in due to the guard towers, while gdi can, as well as killing turrets for easy money

[crushu06]

Bunkers is better map than niagra

[masscarriers]

Everything ehh said, but my vote still goes for that map just because of Valves.

One thing you could do if you decide to implement it is look at the winning rate for each team, I'm pretty sure that even if it's GDI-sided the ratios won't be as bad as Field or City for Nod.

Another thing you could do is implement Valves on every map

[Mikey]

Or add Moon, that map is lel

[ehh]

mars pls

 

but yeah niagra isnt very good

[shaitan]

http://208.115.205.106/rxd/ttfs2/songs/maps/Niagra.txt

http://208.115.205.106/rxd/ttfs2/songs/maps/BunkersTS.txt

Seems to be at certain days/times of day it does quite well, no matter what complaints I've heard lately here. I figured with the gripes and then this topic we'd be getting rid of it, but why get rid of a map that does ok.

Scroll to the bottom on the links.

Bunkers never did that well when it was played, on a consistent basis.

[pyr0man1c]

That was in 2013 though?

[Delusional]

Also, aside from being 2013 records (except four from 2015), most of those were from a period where the playercount wouldn't rise up from 10. I've seen tho a couple of records that had more than 15 players and lasted 33 minutes and 1 hour. Nowadays Rencorner hosts most of the renepopulation, and at some hours it's almost full, so I think Bunkers would do well at large games, cause it's something a bit less "bottleneck vs bottleneck, let's see which one breaks first". And anyway, if we have some kind of consensus about Niagra being bad, and there's a voting option at the beginning of the map that allows players to skip it, if Bunkersts doesn't do well or is disliked it'll be as easy as !skiping it too, so honestly adding it wouldn't really be a major problem.

[shaitan]

Hasn't been played much since then, I did have it in rotation recently, but I also had to change those scripts that copy/insert the lines into those text files.

According to you guys its bad, according to those records it is not.

[Delusional]

Well, I'm pretty sure that being after Under_RxD and Islands_RxD has something to do with Niagra doing somehow "well". Those 2 maps gather a lot of people that carry over to Niagra, and at that point people just want to play, whatever the map is, but at more smaller games I've seen it skipped recently.

You could add a poll ingame like the invisihugging one, !Niagra !Noniagra, to see what people think.

[pyr0man1c]

Thanks for explaining my point delu. Let's see how often it's skipped in comparison to other maps then? That's a decent indicator.

[Mikey]

Well tbf, we can't speak for every server player on the forums, that requires something a lot bigger.

 

Personally, I don't like the map and either vote to skip or join after it's finished.

[shaitan]

I think this would be better served at the meeting saturday. It DOES get players as I said at certain times/days. The whole deal would fit with the possible changes to marathon: more configurable/flexible for day/night-week/weekened crowds. Which you guys will find that is exactly what will have to happen to make everyone a little happy. xD

[Feda]

You want to make me happy, add Bunkers. Now honestly you're comparing 2013 logs with 2015, wtf lol. Plus anyone with a brain can realize that niagra is a bad map when it comes to gameplay.

What hurt will it make if u add bunkers? No one ever bitched about it being in the rotation, yet ppl cry about niagra. Also as others suggested, if ppl dont like it they will skip it. Ez

Niagra's activity more than likely is causef by the way tge rotation is. I'm ready to bet my house on this.

[shaitan]

Ofc it is that old, I said one of the reasons was my scripts weren't, working(too many maps, had to split it into two scripts). The other... it gets worse player count than any other map.

If you guys had bothered to check any of those other text files at those dates, you'd of seen it did in fact suck in comparison to the rest.

It is comical at how much you're taking offense to this, that map was in rotation not that long ago. You guys have setnextmap to it four times within the last week. Remember that whole "if the majority agree, you can game over/setnextmap" in the rules? It is that way for a reason.

[StJohn Gumby]

lmao, shai is pwning you all.

 

Gumby

 

P.S. It's a beautiful thing when you have the data to support you.

[shaitan]

I just setup rcbot to make that cheesy polling like !allow/!disallow again. Had some laughs over it, since I made rcbot go apeshit from a few misplaced $2/$3's.

 

To vote for or against having Bunkers / Niagra use: !bunkers / !no_bunkers / !niagra / !no_niagra

 

mapspoll

 

To whomever was in the admin channel when I was doing that, I now remember why Bunkers was taken out and Niagra placed in that last time. I still had the bunkers.txt map poll files in there, it was voted out back then. January 27th was when I made that file, so it had to of been in rotation before that sometime. The files were reset after my testing, so vote away.

Edited September 12, 2015 by shaitan
added link to the text files to keep track of the poll

[Volcom]

Why are these topics being made when I made a post for ideas like this to be discussed on Saturday. *Sigh*

[GoTWhisKeY]

I've always been a fan of BunkersTS.  Better then Sand with no SBH's! 

[shaitan]

If you check the text links, you'll see the 16th & 17th the polling really started swinging to "no", so expect niagra to be gone then.