Vegetarianism Debate

[Hedgehog]

1 hour ago, StJohn Gumby said:

I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. The food chain is theoretical so I would still be at the top of it. True that insects and spiders are more of a danger than larger predators in a rainforest but that doesn't mean they are higher up the food chain.

If you mean how would I, personally, survive if the rain forest was devoid of fast food outlets I would have to rely on my old army jungle warfare training. I have no problem catching, cooking and eating snakes and monkeys.

If you mean,specifically, no Burger King, It wouldn't bother me at all. I much prefer Wendy's anyway.

Baconator > Bacon Double Cheese.

Gumby

Well wendys does donuts so im all for it, the point i was trying to make is that it would be hard to survive in a rainforest but you sound like you are tough enough "old army jungle warfare training", for the average person they would probably die stranded alone

[StJohn Gumby]

I think being a vegetarian is really a lifestyle choice that people make for a number of reasons.

I don't have a problem with that. The only time it offends me is when they tell me I shouldn't eat meat because it's cruel (they usually say this while wearing leather shoes or a leather belt or carrying a pretty leather purse).

I don't think being vegetarian is necessarily less healthy either. From when I lived in India I know that the majority of people are vegetarian and as there is over a billion of them, a third of them aged under 20, it doesn't seem that their diet is holding them back at all.

Anyway, if we're ever stuck in a rainforest together Hedgehog, I won't let you starve, you can share my roasted monkey.

You'd eat it too.

Gumby

[Hedgehog]

31 minutes ago, StJohn Gumby said:

I think being a vegetarian is really a lifestyle choice that people make for a number of reasons.

I don't have a problem with that. The only time it offends me is when they tell me I shouldn't eat meat because it's cruel (they usually say this while wearing leather shoes or a leather belt or carrying a pretty leather purse).

I don't think being vegetarian is necessarily less healthy either. From when I lived in India I know that the majority of people are vegetarian and as there is over a billion of them, a third of them aged under 20, it doesn't seem that their diet is holding them back at all.

Anyway, if we're ever stuck in a rainforest together Hedgehog, I won't let you starve, you can share my roasted monkey.

You'd eat it too.

Gumby

I know id eat it, i just havent eaten meat before because i was raised that way.

[StJohn Gumby]

8 hours ago, Hedgehog said:

I know id eat it, i just havent eaten meat before because i was raised that way.

As long as this is your informed choice and your parents didn't force you into being vegetarian (and it seems to me you are well informed about the advantages and disadvantages) then I'm happy for you.

One question though, if I may, what would your parents say if you told them you would like to try eating some meat?

Gumby

[jks101]

it's like you people have never met a vegetarian before wow!

[AnThRaX]

My sister is vegetarian, I don't personally give a shit about it but she has to tell people any chance she gets and she still eats all these tofu burgers and hotdogs and steaks and shit that are supposed to taste exactly like the animals she doesn't want to eat.  It really makes no sense to me. 

[Hedgehog]

21 hours ago, StJohn Gumby said:

As long as this is your informed choice and your parents didn't force you into being vegetarian (and it seems to me you are well informed about the advantages and disadvantages) then I'm happy for you.

One question though, if I may, what would your parents say if you told them you would like to try eating some meat?

Gumby

I dont wanna try eating meat xD, im fine with being a vegetarian and i suppose i didnt really have a choice but im happy with that

[Hedgehog]

2 hours ago, AnThRaX said:

My sister is vegetarian, I don't personally give a shit about it but she has to tell people any chance she gets and she still eats all these tofu burgers and hotdogs and steaks and shit that are supposed to taste exactly like the animals she doesn't want to eat.  It really makes no sense to me. 

Thats a bad steriotype unfortunately, not all of us are like that

[appshot]

Plenty of research has shown vegetarian diets offer various health benefits that strictly meat, or mostly meat-eating diets don't offer.  Here are some research articles...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26508743

And here is one on why processed, red meat is bad 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26633248

 

I can post 30-40 more if anyone is interested in nutritional and dietary research

[fratboy]

1 hour ago, appshot said:

Plenty of research has shown vegetarian diets offer various health benefits that strictly meat, or mostly meat-eating diets don't offer.  Here are some research articles...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26508743

And here is one on why processed, red meat is bad 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26633248

 

I can post 30-40 more if anyone is interested in nutritional and dietary research

I don't like this kind of research because there are so many uncontrollable variables. People aren't lab rats. They get around and lie. If you could grow a human in a lab and study effects of different diets on cellular level, then it'd be a valid study. 

I like a balanced diet. If I liked the taste of fish, I would probably stay away from meat a lot more. But I hate fish, so a steak is my best friend. Also, the argument of processed meat isn't valid for my region either. I have deer grazing in my front yard every day. It's just the matter of buying hunting licence. 

Not eating meat for moral reasons is a different story and it's perfectly cool. As long as they don't push their morals on everyone else. 

[woolwind]

21 hours ago, fratboy said:

I have deer grazing in my front yard every day. It's just the matter of buying hunting licence. 

 

I'm going to fratboy's place and bringing my sausage grinder

[jks101]

http://time.com/4086858/who-meat-cancer/

" The IARC is not saying that everyone should completely stop eating red or process meat altogether, but that people should consider limiting their intake. That’s in line with other recommendations that say limiting red meat and eating more plant-based foods can have significant health benefits. "

 

[m0a0n7er]

Vegetarians are not exactly vegetarians because they must eat your brain in order to persuade you to be one. 

Brain is meat, thus vegetarians are carnivores!

[Volcom]

I like Mushrooms with my steak.

[vlatkozelka]

How could you deprive yourself of camel meat ?!

[Hedgehog]

On 26/12/2015 at 8:35 PM, m0a0n7er said:

Vegetarians are not exactly vegetarians because they must eat your brain in order to persuade you to be one. 

Brain is meat, thus vegetarians are carnivores!

wtf did i just read? XD to clarify carnivores are organisms that only eat meat so unless ur a lion your an omnivore

[lucalani]

I have just read this and you all have everything wrong. first off, Vegetarians dont eat meat. VEGANS are the people that dont eat anything that comes from an animal. 2nd, some people are vegetarians just because they dont like the meat. I personally am a vegetarian just because i think meat tastes horrible. My whole family thinks im crazy.

 

Now that i think about it......... i am crazy

Edited December 29, 2015 by lucalani
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[masscarriers]

^ this, including the part that says you're crazy of course.

[appshot]

@fratboy have you taken a biostatistics class by any chance? Because your 1st claim makes little sense.  

2nd off Lean red and white meat are great nutritional sources. 

3rd off a balanced diet is best, meaning no mickey Ds, soda and all that sugary crap

4th off low-carb is better than low-fat diet

5th off Healthy lifestyle and daily exercise is a must

6th off There is no "fat but fit" or "fat but big boned" bullshit.

7th off Abdominal fat is the worst

8th off Don't worry, be happy

9th off 

[Volcom]

Be vegetarian or eat meat I dont care. Just buy pizza. We offer both varieties and have multiple cheese and crust options. If you Vegan and don't eat cheese I don't have much room for you in my life. 

[Hedgehog]

13 hours ago, appshot said:

@fratboy have you taken a biostatistics class by any chance? Because your 1st claim makes little sense.  

2nd off Lean red and white meat are great nutritional sources. 

3rd off a balanced diet is best, meaning no mickey Ds, soda and all that sugary crap

4th off low-carb is better than low-fat diet

5th off Healthy lifestyle and daily exercise is a must

6th off There is no "fat but fit" or "fat but big boned" bullshit.

7th off Abdominal fat is the worst

8th off Don't worry, be happy

9th off 

its actually the knowledge of diets and nutritional values that makes people healthy, not the actual food types

[appshot]

food types is KNOWLEDGE you should know. and what does that have to do with what I said? 

[lucalani]

Tofu, green beans, milk/yogurt, seeds, papaya, and peas are all high in protein for their food group. This makes them ideal for a vegetarian diet. Weird people that are VEGANS cant have milk/yogurt.

[Hedgehog]

18 hours ago, appshot said:

food types is KNOWLEDGE you should know. and what does that have to do with what I said? 

the sort of knowledge i was talking about is where to get all the vitamins and such not "what food type is milk", my point was that all the nutrients are there is large amounts you just need to have the knowledge to make a healthy diet

 

[BeerBaron]