AnubisOrr Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Now that people have weighed in; my last comments on the issue. Quote They spam leave to cause all of it. They always do. That's why you wait a few and people will come/go. I'm not going to tell the guys they have to swap ASAP when 7 people leave in a 3 minute window. I wont swap willy nilly every 2 seconds, I wont make the others do it either. That's retarded, and it always will be. The players freak out after 30 seconds of 2 people leaving game. I've seen it, I've experienced it first hand, yelling at me as well as you guys. What's really to be lost by switching though when all buildings are intact? FTC allows you to keep your money, so all that's different really is a set of tanks and the people on the team. As has been stated this wasn't a case of a few seconds and the ones complaining are not random whiners who are known for it (at least I would hope not for myself for sure, and haven't noticed any such thing from Mikey/TheRelativ). From my experience I am nearly always the first to volunteer when teams are uneven to switch. About the only times I don't are when I've been involved in destroying a building resulting in such an exodus and the follow-up rush (or endgame rush as it were) is already coming to end it. Quote If think you think I'm brushing it off, I'm not. I wasn't arguing the part of how long it all took. That's this post. What I have been saying is I've told people "5 minutes", that would be from the start of the mass leaving, til the teams are fixed. Which is a perfectly reasonable time frame, however in my opinion in this instance the Mods present were using letter of the rules to defeat the spirit of the rules. When there is a readily apparent problem with fairness it should be resolved as quickly as possible. Quote Teamchanging add-on: From the start of a "mass leaving" of 2 or more players, you need to have the teams as even as possible before five minutes is done. If the playercount is 15 or less: you need to have this done within three minutes. If you happen to be an AFK moderator at the time(you're "not playing"), teamchange yourself since you're doing nothing anyway(unless you're spectating/watching someone of course, in that case find someone to teamchange). Do not sit there and argue with players/moderators about it all...thereby making things worse. Perfect. Thank you. The reason(s) that I posted are not because I expect some punishment to be meted out (or to call anyone out), but to bring attention to deficiencies that should be fairly easy to remedy in Staff positions who are there to make sure that gameplay is going smoothly. With that new addendum to the rules that should now be taken care. Once again, thank you. If players weren't interested in fair play we'd all Co-op versus the AI and just massacre them all the time. The odds are what makes it fun and challenging, but there's a big difference between challenging and insurmountable. The biggest issue I had with this is that if there had been no one around it would've been, "Oh well, that's the way it goes", but when you have ~3 people who you know are capable of doing something about it do nothing or make light of it, it becomes something entirely different and frustrating. All seems to be resolved now so as I said when I began this post I don't intend to beat a dead horse any longer. Edited February 7, 2016 by GoWKratos Fixed quotes. 1
Nudle Posted February 7, 2016 Posted February 7, 2016 If you ain't playing, you should GTFO! #harshmod 5
ragnaroec Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 And mods shouldnt abuse the ftc command for team stacking. Pls add that to the mod-rules. It happend on a field-game on 1/7/16 - me on NOD That was fucking annoying cause i donated him 1000 earlier and we were under a GDI-siege, so it was hard to gain money. After he changed teams i asked him why he did that, cause teams were even, and all what came back was: "lol" Like Gumby said: Some should really reflect on their actions ...... If u need proof or want to know who it was pm me
shaitan Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 You made it sound so sinister, when it was nothing. Do you see the 2nd/3rd lines? That means it was a regular old !tc that anyone can do when the the teams are a 2+ difference. [13:25:06] <&RCAOW> Gameinfo: (WOL) Map: C&C_Field_RxD.mix GDI: 13/60 players 134123 points Nod: 15/60 players 103484 points Players : 28/60 00.00.00 mins left SFPS: 100 [13:25:09] <&RCAOW> [Team] %asd13: !d [13:25:11] <&RCAOW> [TEAMCHANGE] Player asd13 changed to team GDI from team NOD [13:25:11] <&RCAOW> Host: [DA] asd13 has changed teams. [13:25:44] <&RCAOW> Player ragnaroec joined the game on team Nod [Join: GSA, Client: 4.2 7152] [29/60] [13:25:49] <&RCAOW> %asd13: im not gonna be playing long anywaysw [13:25:56] <&RCAOW> DickClark: still [13:25:58] <&RCAOW> DickClark: traitor [13:26:01] <&RCAOW> %asd13: lol [13:26:04] <&RCAOW> ragnaroec: asd - why u changed team ? [13:26:09] <&RCAOW> DickClark: cos traitor [13:26:12] <&RCAOW> %asd13: lol
ragnaroec Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 As a mod he shouldnt have done that in this situation. Nod was under siege and had absolutly no advantage with this 2 player difference. That was just poor. If any other would have done it - i dont mind.
Manuel857 Posted February 8, 2016 Posted February 8, 2016 Just do what is right for the game. If teams are uneven and no one is willing to change sides, then its the moderator's responsibility to switch teams to make it as even as possible. Not sure why this has been dragging for 2 pages when it's common sense. 6
asd13 Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 I dont see what i did wrong. Gdi was bitching about the game being uneven ... what did u expect me to do i kept getting pms so i changed
ragnaroec Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 Bullshit lol . Don´t make it worse. I thought this topic was closed by Mannys statement. But when i read such a sentence i can´t shut up. They pmd u cause the game was uneven ? I really doubt this. Here are the stats: 16[2016-01-07 20:12:38] <Nudle> !pl 16[2016-01-07 20:12:39] <RCAOW> Total Players: 31/60 16[2016-01-07 20:12:39] <RCAOW> GDI: 16 NOD: 15 16[2016-01-07 20:12:39] <RCAOW> GDI: Mega [-HOH-]szymek777 Bill TheRelativ Gummi 16[2016-01-07 20:12:39] <RCAOW> GDI: Evie visara1 Techie WigglyWings patman3 16[2016-01-07 20:12:39] <RCAOW> GDI: Cocain010 D3adly Rasoulov muskel CrAckMOnk 16[2016-01-07 20:12:39] <RCAOW> GDI: Mattix1 18[2016-01-07 20:12:39] <RCAOW> Nod: ragnaroec kenam0 Zedd BLUENOoB Tokinmonk 16[2016-01-07 20:12:39] <RCAOW> Nod: BaldTony MaDMaxXc blindbob +strongice hededson 16[2016-01-07 20:12:39] <RCAOW> Nod: DickClark Skippy60 harpo TuutjDrei zeus01010 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:13:11] <RCAOW> Player kenam0 left the game on team Nod [30/60] GDI:16 Nod:14 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:15:08] <RCAOW> Player Techie left the game on team GDI [29/60] GDI:15 NOD:14 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:16:34] <RCAOW> Player MaDMaxXc left the game on team Nod [28/60] GDI:15 NOD:13 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:16:38] <RCAOW> Player OSTKhappybird joined the game on team Nod [29/60] GDI:15 NOD:14 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:16:47] <RCAOW> Player GDIvsNOD joined the game on team GDI [30/60] GDI:16 NOD:14 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:16:58] <RCAOW> Player asd13 joined the game on team Nod [31/60] GDI:16 NOD:15 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:17:29] <RCAOW> Player patman3 left the game on team GDI [30/60] GDI:15 NOD:15 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:17:48] <RCAOW> Player SIA joined the game on team Nod [31/60] GDI:15 NOD:16 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:18:31] <RCAOW> Player Gummi left the game on team GDI [30/60] GDI:14 NOD:16 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:20:50] <RCAOW> Player BaldTony left the game on team Nod [29/60] GDI:14 NOD:15 . . 18[2016-01-07 20:21:08] <RCAOW> Player ragnaroec left the game on team Nod [28/60] GDI:14 NOD:14 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:21:16] <RCAOW> Player GDIvsNOD left the game on team GDI [27/60] GDI:13 NOD:14 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:24:04] <RCAOW> Player Kal16 joined the game on team GDI [28/60] GDI:14 NOD:14 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:24:38] <RCAOW> Player Jarhead joined the game on team Nod [29/60] GDI:14 NOD:15 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:25:08] <RCAOW> Player Bill left the game on team GDI [28/60] GDI:13 NOD:15 . . 16[2016-01-07 20:25:19] <RCAOW> Host: [DA] asd13 has changed teams. 16[2016-01-07 20:25:26] <RCAOW> [KILL] Rasoulov killed Zedd HEADSHOT! (Havoc/Ramjet Rifle VS. Sakura/Ramjet Rifle) [LD] 305.0 16[2016-01-07 20:25:30] <RCAOW> DickClark: wow asd 16[2016-01-07 20:25:30] <RCAOW> Zedd: i see u evie 16[2016-01-07 20:25:32] <RCAOW> %asd13: haha 16[2016-01-07 20:25:34] <RCAOW> %asd13: lol 16[2016-01-07 20:25:35] <RCAOW> [KILL] Rasoulov killed BLUENOoB HEADSHOT! (Havoc/Ramjet Rifle VS. Raveshaw/Rail Gun) [LD] 350.0 16[2016-01-07 20:25:35] <RCAOW> [MULTIKILL] Rasoulov - Double Kill (2 successive kills). 16[2016-01-07 20:25:40] <RCAOW> [VEHKILL] Tokinmonk destroyed muskel's Medium Tank (Mobile Artillery VS. Medium Tank) [LD] 25.3 16[2016-01-07 20:25:41] <RCAOW> Host: [BR] If you're interested in community wars, check out the forums! 16[2016-01-07 20:25:41] <RCAOW> [BUILDING] Hand of Nod under attack. 16[2016-01-07 20:25:45] <RCAOW> Host: [DA] Time Elapsed: 04.23.05 16[2016-01-07 20:25:46] <RCAOW> [KILL] CrAckMOnk killed SIA (Havoc/Ramjet Rifle VS. Technician/Repair Gun(Strong)) [LD] 24.0 18[2016-01-07 20:25:53] <RCAOW> Player ragnaroec joined the game on team Nod [29/60] 16[2016-01-07 20:25:54] <RCAOW> Host: [DA] Tokinmonk has been promoted to the rank of "Colonel". 16[2016-01-07 20:25:57] <RCAOW> %asd13: im not gonna be playing long anywaysw 16[2016-01-07 20:25:59] <RCAOW> [KILL] Zedd killed Rasoulov (Sakura/Ramjet Rifle VS. Havoc/Ramjet Rifle) [LD] 186.0 18[2016-01-07 20:26:00] <RCAOW> Host: [BR] ragnaroec is using Scripts 4.2 7152. 16[2016-01-07 20:26:04] <RCAOW> DickClark: still 16[2016-01-07 20:26:06] <RCAOW> DickClark: traitor 16[2016-01-07 20:26:09] <RCAOW> %asd13: lol 18[2016-01-07 20:26:12] <RCAOW> ragnaroec: asd - why u changed team ? 16[2016-01-07 20:26:14] <RCAOW> [VEHKILL] TheRelativ destroyed OSTKhappybird's Stealth Tank (Havoc/Personal Ion Cannon VS. Stealth Tank) [LD] 74.6 16[2016-01-07 20:26:17] <RCAOW> DickClark: cos traitor 16[2016-01-07 20:26:20] <RCAOW> %asd13: lol 16[2016-01-07 20:26:21] <RCAOW> DickClark: mutiny You joined at 20:16:58 and changed Team at 20:25:19. During this period of time Nod had and advatage of 2 players only once at 20:18 but only for 2 or 3 min. After that, teams were even (with even i mean 1 player max difference) again until 20:25:08. So it took u only 11 seconds changing to the winning team. Ok - When exactly did they bitch about uneven teams ? Its legit and not against the rules using the good old !tc command but i was just mean in this case and a mod should not do that in my opinion. Think about this and your excuses above and do it better in the future. Sorry for the late reply but i had a busy day. rag
StJohn Gumby Posted February 10, 2016 Posted February 10, 2016 On 08/02/2016 at 7:05 PM, Manuel857 said: Just do what is right for the game. If teams are uneven and no one is willing to change sides, then its the moderator's responsibility to switch teams to make it as even as possible. Not sure why this has been dragging for 2 pages when it's common sense. I guess it's dragging on for 2 pages because the rules are ambiguous and are being applied incorrectly by some moderators, particularly those, with a bad attitude. And because it now seems like some moderators are abusing the ambiguity in the rules to their own advantage. You are, of course, correct though. Doing it correctly is only common sense. Pity that we have some moderators who are lacking in that commodity. Gumby 1
appshot Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 remove the !rtc command, change players who switch after 1 building dies(CuntClark and ZIONISM to name a few), and mods should be the first ones to switch if there is a team imbalance of more than 2 players(2 players for games with people under 20) This isn't rocket science. 1
Cronus Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 On 2/11/2016 at 9:32 PM, appshot said: remove the !rtc command, change players who switch after 1 building dies(CuntClark and ZIONISM to name a few), and mods should be the first ones to switch if there is a team imbalance of more than 2 players(2 players for games with people under 20) This isn't rocket science. hi cutie 1
ice187dna Posted February 12, 2016 Posted February 12, 2016 Locking topic since how everyone has got the point or made a point, plus a comment that isn't relevant to the topic. As we are a group of gamers and a RC family ,we all can do better in what our jobs roles are and to make Rencorner the best gaming community out there and leave others in the dust. Renegade will always be a drama fest right until the very last server going (which could be ours at this rate). You cannot please everyone on a server, but Rencorner does it's best to accommodate to most renegamers needs to make their experience an enjoyable one and to keep them coming back for more. When I played Renegade (back in the days) and the teams were uneven it was the case of the last person joined got moved on the team with the least amount of players and if they didn't like it, they played the game, gained as many points as possible to stay out of the bottom so they would not get swapped all the time to balance the teams. Yes moderators also did swap too when required to and did it with no questions asked. Moderators should accommodate to the server's needs and not to the their own personal needs. Our Renegade servers need to be kept alive and bad moderating isn't going to help that. I hope that we all can help each other as a renegamer family and keep Renegade for what it is, a very addictive old game which still kicks ass and hopefully still does for years to come. 2
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