Please abandon the Squad system

[jez6363]

The squad system is just a way of cheating. It biases teams and makes it pointless playing. Please abandon it before you finally kill off Renegade.

Thanks, Jez

[YesNoMayb]

Agreed. Although I loved shitting on the squads 

[Manuel857]

but but.. its fun killing mint and destr0y3r at the same time! 

[Volcom]

Discuss it. I see no problem with it.

[BeerBaron]

join my squad jez, we own

[DJEYEK]

It is barely used by more than 10% of the Players. I dont see why its a harm to anyone/anything.

[Evie]

The squad system is awesome when you got players in your squad which are on ts with you, this makes it possible to allow some great teamplay. When I'm not in a squad, usually I get a noob team, which is the reason why I'm leaving the game after ~30 mins because this makes no fun. Good teamplay is the reason why I keep playing this game and prefer playing Battlefield than COD.

 

But I can understand you jez, it's hard to play against a team which has a great squad with some really good teamplay.

[Goztow]

I love the squad system, it's great to be able to play with friends on the same side. However, I also understand it can bias teams.

 

One way of solving that would be to lower the number of players in one squad. But in terms of rene fun I'd prefer it to stay the way it currently is. 

[m0a0n7er]

Squad = tp

win

[ehh]

im gonna guess squad limit is 5+?

Lower it to 3? 

 

[Mikey]

It does stack games

 

But it also stacks tp

 

Take one or the other it's always gonna be like that

[AnubisOrr]

1 hour ago, ehh said:

im gonna guess squad limit is 5+?

Lower it to 3? 

 

It depends on how many people are in server how many people you can have your squad.  Not sure of the exact parameters.

 

Overall I'd say only about 10 people actively use the squad system on a regular basis (me being one of them).  Don't really see any problem with it with the way it's configured with the above parameters.  Sure, if you could make a 4vs4 a squad then what would be the point, but I believe in a 4vs4 you can't even make a squad.  The system scales to the number of players.

 

The squad system really just shows who is working together on a team.  Even if you couldn't see it, they'd still be working together. 

Also, honestly, most of the time I form a squad it doesn't last for more than 2 maps anyway (oftentimes it doesn't last beyond the map in which I joined the squad, so it didn't actually affect what team I was on).  The main bonuses are: you're instantly aware of what your teammate has purchased, you can coordinate without discussion, or just be aware that they're in-base or have died.

[masscarriers]

Nothing against people trying to use squads for TP or speaking together on TS, but what annoys people I believe is when 3-4 elite snipers group together against regulars. Some players have a better machine or better skills and they start at a great advantage regardless of their use of TP, and it can be frustrating when you're on the opposing team and keep dying without a chance to make a comeback. A few players will quit just by looking at the team list.

[Goztow]

Renegade is a tank game 

[u00fzTar]

2 hours ago, masscarriers said:

Nothing against people trying to use squads for TP or speaking together on TS, but what annoys people I believe is when 3-4 elite snipers group together against regulars. Some players have a better machine or better skills and they start at a great advantage regardless of their use of TP, and it can be frustrating when you're on the opposing team and keep dying without a chance to make a comeback. A few players will quit just by looking at the team list.

Word.

I left several times because of this. Please remove it.

[Goztow]

If you can't beat it; then join it!

[YesNoMayb]

World of Tanks is a tank game. Renegade is an infantry and tank game

[appshot]

no one joints my squad 

[Manuel857]

7 minutes ago, appshot said:

no one joints my squad 

you no got swag bruh

[Learonys]

The squad is such a bittersweet system... The positives outweigh the negatives though imo. I don't want it gone, but i don't know how i would rework it either. Yeah, renegade is a tank game but it's hard to fight with all your repairers dead, or your base being nuked. By the way, the 10% of the people that use it often are the more skilled players. But for the same amount of battles you play against a good squad, you'll also play with a good squad.

[Goztow]

Maybe something else could help to bal nice squads. Blackintel had this sweet system where the teams would be balanced based on the result of the last game. The 1st would be team a, the 3rd as well, etc. The 2nd team b, the 4th as well, etc. Hence the players with most points would be split up. 

A logarithm could be thought of where squads do stay together but this could be balanced by placing some players with more points during last game at the other side. 

Just thinking out loud. 

[AnThRaX]

20 minutes ago, Goztow said:

Maybe something else could help to bal nice squads. Blackintel had this sweet system where the teams would be balanced based on the result of the last game. The 1st would be team a, the 3rd as well, etc. The 2nd team b, the 4th as well, etc. Hence the players with most points would be split up. 

A logarithm could be thought of where squads do stay together but this could be balanced by placing some players with more points during last game at the other side. 

Just thinking out loud. 

This will never be a perfect system because often the best players are not MVP, the MVP is always some doof that has the most patience to sit in one spot and shoot a building for the whole map while the actual contributors destroy all the tanks and infantry around them.  I swear if you got half the points of killing inf and tanks as you did idle shooting buildings I'd be MVP 99% of the maps but there will never be a perfectly balanced system.  Especially now that the renegade sample size is like 70 total players. 

[Goztow]

Yes of course but it could be better than the current balancing. 

[dippy]

I agree that it can lead to some stacked teams. I mostly see squads of 2-3 people, which means it really only stacks teams in small matches. There's not much worse getting rolled by a squad over and over again on consecutive maps because the server isn't very full. I think that leads to the server emptying out on occasion too.

[Nudle]

Without squads maybe the so-called "skilled" players might leave because there are too many n00bs not tp'ing, and there is nobody that understands how to get to the pp on Glacier..