"Vanilla" mode, need some input

[shaitan]

As the title states, what frequency do you think a vanilla style would work? We've checked it out today to see how it would go, and once in awhile wont be so bad. Removing these options:
Squads
Buyable weapons
Buyable tanks
Pimp weapons(will have to get it to actually remove them(or deal with it), it didn't during the 2 maps today)
All crates but: health, Death, Money
Suicide takes all your money
Transport chopper armor upgrade
Veteran
Weapon tranfer(as in buying a new character and not keeping the other weapons)
Loot dropping
Parachutes
<Cannot do limited ammo, as that takes a restart>
Grant weapons(like techs having shotty)

My feel is for Wednesdays, we have the least amount of players that day compared to other days, and would impact the server less. It'll have to be something to where one of us admins is around if it's a "half day" thing.
It'll also be a hands-on type of deal with moderators keeping people in-the-know, so as to limit the possible complaints(sweet talking).

The Marathon/Aow modes I wont touch, that way people can still get a mix of them.

 

 

[Goztow]

For the crates, IIRC they were 100 credits, 200 credits or ammo. Death was not one of them.

I think most Vanilla "likers" are European, so I would aim at their time zone. The days doesn't matter too much to me, tbh. I'll join in when I can and enjoy it :). I do think it might be better to have Marathon mode, AOW mode and Vanilla mode mixed up but I might get people against me then :P.

[StJohn Gumby]

Ironic,

Just played a CW style game with the guys.

Best Renegade fun I had in ages.

Thanks to:

masscariers, mdogg, Hitman. Vlat and all the others.

Gumby

[ehh]

lol hitman

is this vanilla mode mara or timed?

[vlatkozelka]

48 minutes ago, StJohn Gumby said:

Ironic,

Just played a CW style game with the guys.

Best Renegade fun I had in ages.

Thanks to:

masscariers, mdogg, Hitman. Vlat and all the others.

Gumby

More ironic, I used to be a marathon supporter . But I've grown to like AOW.

But you know, the people want marathon, you gotta give them what they want ;)

[StJohn Gumby]

5 minutes ago, vlatkozelka said:

More ironic, I used to be a marathon supporter . But I've grown to like AOW.

i always liked you and had faith in you.

I celebrate the fact you have seen the truth and the light.

 OSTKvlat: !goto christ OSTKvlat Teleported to Christ. 

hallelujah

Gumby

[vlatkozelka]

10 minutes ago, StJohn Gumby said:

 OSTKvlat: !goto christ OSTKvlat Teleported to Christ. 

hallelujah

Gumby

HAHAHA I forgot about that one !

[mdogg1108]

Had a lot of fun today playing the clan war style games. Partially the reason why I want to start my clan is to promote more small, all teamspeak, style games with coordination. 

 

Join my clan peeps!

[Guest rackz]

Marathon without any mods! no unlimited ammo! yeah!

I can see the huge tankrushes comin!

[warlord83]

1 hour ago, rackz said:

Marathon without any mods! no unlimited ammo! yeah!

I can see the huge tankrushes comin!

The way it used to be

[ragnaroec]

Woohoo. Great. I would like to have that between 18:00 and 21:00 GMT + 1.      

 

[WNxH3adSh00t]

 

 

Edit: Nevermind didn't read your whole first sentence. :v

Edited November 21, 2016 by WNxH3adSh00t

[bad2gurlz]

Like goztow said we could mix it up like marathon/normal and aow/vanilla and then switch it up next week. I really like we are doing vanilla, brings back some excitement and new challenges.

[Learonys]

If it's going to be a random percentage like the Marathon/AOW thing, I do think that it should be a lot smaller than normal. To stay fresh, I really think this should stay a novelty, even more than AOW. I'd say a 10% or lower chance would be decent.

Also, very interesting idea! Now let's see how long it's going to take to get a PP vs PP Walls map :v

[shaitan]

On 11/20/2016 at 4:12 PM, shaitan said:

The Marathon/Aow modes I wont touch, that way people can still get a mix of them.

 

[DickClark]

On 11/20/2016 at 4:12 PM, shaitan said:

As the title states, what frequency do you think a vanilla style would work? We've checked it out today to see how it would go, and once in awhile wont be so bad. Removing these options:
Squads
Buyable weapons
Buyable tanks
Pimp weapons(will have to get it to actually remove them(or deal with it), it didn't during the 2 maps today)
All crates but: health, Death, Money
Suicide takes all your money
Transport chopper armor upgrade
Veteran
Weapon tranfer(as in buying a new character and not keeping the other weapons)
Loot dropping
Parachutes
<Cannot do limited ammo, as that takes a restart>
Grant weapons(like techs having shotty)

My feel is for Wednesdays, we have the least amount of players that day compared to other days, and would impact the server less. It'll have to be something to where one of us admins is around if it's a "half day" thing.
It'll also be a hands-on type of deal with moderators keeping people in-the-know, so as to limit the possible complaints(sweet talking).

The Marathon/Aow modes I wont touch, that way people can still get a mix of them.

 

 

 Before i even go item by item on some of the things you took off here, FUCK YEAH! I feel like for a FACT the ghosts of ren players past are though 'Rene-Esp' are celebrating and throwing their hands up. This is the way Westwood INTENDED to have Renegade gameplay work!!! Time honored gameplay! ANY player that EVER logged onto a server when Westwood ran it would instantly flashback to that experiential memory of fighting their hearts off for their teammates and for their base! Especially Kesler told me many times that he wanted vanilla westwood rules.

"It'll also be a hands-on type of deal with moderators keeping people in-the-know, so as to limit the possible complaints(sweet talking)."

i like this 'no sweet talking' rule, and its also simple psychology 101 (which makes it even better), as any good 'test' has people in it not knowing they were in a test till after anyway. also a nice little cue to us to see who checks the forums ! :P it reminds me a bit of the 'no pleasentries' rule !

I stand by the fact that the average player i see's maximum reaction to AOW appears to be 'meh', and on that note, item by item some of the following things i think flow REALLY well with marathon:

Squads


Veteran


Loot dropping


also some of the crates. namely spy crate


and finally:  the original westwood gameplay i strongly feel was meant to encourage techs / hotwires to be the only class that could hang out in field and never go back for ammo and always have something to do: repair. plain and simple.
 

'<Cannot do limited ammo, as that takes a restart>'

RESET BUTTON BROKEN. HACKERS GOT TO US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

damnit! honestly though, this is definitely a plausibly good idea at worst. you're clearly on to something here shai.

 

[Guest rackz]

Lets start this weekend with marathon, limited ammo and weapon drop?

 

we need a checklist/vote where peoples can multiple-vote what they want like 

Marathon 100%yes

Weaponbuy 0%yes

etc. but im at work right now, maybe someone could start such vote?

[BeerBaron]

for a true vanilla, the only crates should be ammo refill, 100 credits, and 200 credits.

and if we're gonna go vanilla, when 1 team takes out the ref and the air/wf there better be a timer going or im going to gameover

[ehh]

yeah if its mara, make it jelly style mara with crates and shit

aow? vanilla as fuck lads

[YesNoMayb]

10 hours ago, DickClark said:

I stand by the fact that the average player i see's maximum reaction to AOW appears to be 'meh', and on that note, item by item some of the following things i think flow REALLY well with marathon:

Squads

It doesn't flow well in a public server of a 14 year old game. There aren't enough decent/good players anymore. All the good people join a squad, then when there's no more good players to squad with, someone like me is stuck by themselves. If there's no squads, we'll have fairer games.

Edited November 24, 2016 by YesNoMayb

[BeerBaron]

I had a thought just now and it has left me completely supporting the idea for a Vanilla mode. I know how Shaitan loves doing server stats, and it'd be nice if he made a post showing when the server is most active. Does everyone really feel like they'd get ingame to try this on Wednesdays?

[shaitan]

I am not doing stats anymore, I only did those to shut some of you up.  Just look back at these topics and you'll find that you can do them yourselves (links to the webserver). Edit: http://208.115.205.106/rxd/ttfs2/songs/maps/  gamemode.txt one will have the easiest info.

There's a whole lot of talking in here about changing this or that...and hardly any of what I asked you guys. :|

Edited November 25, 2016 by shaitan

[masscarriers]

Ok then:

Squads : I think it should be kept... it has nothing to do with the gameplay itself and more with if people are on TS and want to play together. It's an added value for the people and will remain regardless of if it's vanilla or not (note : I didn't talk about mara/AOW)
Buyable weapons : Should be dropped on vanilla, without a shadowfor of a doubt.
Buyable tanks : same.
Pimp weapons : Obviously, same.
All crates but health, Death, Money : it should be well balanced though, if dying is >25% of the time there's no incentive to rush for them.
Suicide takes all your money : Yeah, actually it should be that way all the time IMO.
Transport chopper armor upgrade : YES, games w/ trannies are always the funniest.
Veteran : Should be dropped.
Weapon tranfer(as in buying a new character and not keeping the other weapons) : Could be kept since getting weapons w/o buying will be a lot harder. Then again it won't matter since...
Loot dropping : ...if you can't buy weapons and loot isn't dropping, you won't get any other weapons. I have mixed feelings about this one.
Parachutes : If we upgrade tranny armor, then it should be removed. Otherwise I fear it'll be too powerful.
Grant weapons(like techs having shotty)  : Should be removed for sure.

[Goztow]

No loot dropping. Only some random weapon spawning can be acceptable if it needs to be. 

[shaitan]

Jesus you guys...if you're just going to keep side tracking the actual topic, I'm going to pick for you.