The new maps that were added a few weeks ago: keep or remove?

[Goztow]

Title says it all. What's your opinion?

[Goztow]

So I voted to keep MetroTS because contrary to what I remembered, it's actually a very nice small map full of action. Cairo is way too big, 3 obies and 2 pp is just stupid IMO. Mines is a bit harder but I voted to remove it because it has no open spaces whatsoever and really is "just a camp map".

[mdogg1108]

Remove them all.

I've come to the realization, and I hope everyone else can recognize this even just slightly, that people will always call for these new maps and when they do, it doesn't work out. People wanted Cairo so badly and now it gets skipped every time. The idea behind it wasn't even plausible because it has 3 base defenses for like ~20 players. Let's just keep it normal pls. =]

[dippy]

I like the variety. Keep them.

[Peshmerga]

true mdogg, I just played cairo on low player count, maybe ~6-10 players. Its way too big for small games.

 

[mdogg1108]

23 minutes ago, Puma said:

i kinda noticed people leaving when new maps are coming up, But the skip system works perfectly :3 

That's how the player counts drop. I know there was issues with the server, however it's very easy to notice that when these maps come on, people leave. Realistically, people play the maps they want and a lot of the time leave on the maps they don't. If you notice, people do leave when a map gets skipped. People also enjoy marathon more than AOW, and marathon keeps people in the server.

 

Edited January 14, 2017 by mdogg1108

[Goztow]

Mdogg, I can follow you up to a certain point. You're probably right in 90 % of the cases but if we didn't give it a try now and then, then good maps likes Bio, Tomb and Snow (timed!!!) would never have made it to the rotation.

It's important, however, to evaluate the maps that we try out rapidly. This poll is a first element of evaluation.

Lastly, I think variety is important but only high quality variety. AOW versus marathon: both areh igh quality game modes. Tomb versus canyon: both are high quality maps. Cairo versus Field: sorry, but Cairo just doesn't meet my quality standards.

[ehh]

cairo is terrible, metro is fine, not sure about mines.

[mdogg1108]

10 minutes ago, Goztow said:

Mdogg, I can follow you up to a certain point. You're probably right in 90 % of the cases but if we didn't give it a try now and then, then good maps likes Bio, Tomb and Snow (timed!!!) would never have made it to the rotation.

It's important, however, to evaluate the maps that wet ry out rapidly. This poll is a first element of evaluation.

No problem with a try from me, aslong as we can recognize as a community when it is or isn't working (although everyone who knows me knows I love keeping it regular). I also think in a time like this it's important Shaitan or an administrator shows the logs showing the amounts of times skipped and what not, so at least we have somewhat of a factual basis (if they can). Although sometimes, even if it appears a map gets played all the time, doesn't mean everyone loves it. That's why polls like this are good also.

Edited January 14, 2017 by mdogg1108

[StJohn Gumby]

1 hour ago, mdogg1108 said:

Remove them all.

I've come to the realization, and I hope everyone else can recognize this even just slightly, that people will always call for these new maps and when they do, it doesn't work out. People wanted Cairo so badly and now it gets skipped every time. The idea behind it wasn't even plausible because it has 3 base defenses for like ~20 players. Let's just keep it normal pls. =]

I think we all know what your preferences are but can you accept that others may have other equally valid opinions?

Players like me have to suffer through hours of mindless whoring on some marathon maps yet when an AOW map comes up half the players leave because they don't have the skills required for AOW.

As for new maps, sure give some a try, but for God's sake you don't have to be a genius to realise most of them are either too big or too Nod biased to be worth trying. Cairo is a classic example of what I mean. No idea who added it to the rotation but it must rate as one of the dumbest decisions ever.

Also, if you could make your posts a bit less nerdy, I'm glad you realized something important, but I don't need you to tell me what I think.

Thanks

Gumby

[mdogg1108]

4 minutes ago, StJohn Gumby said:

I think we all know what your preferences are but can you accept that others may have other equally valid opinions?

Players like me have to suffer through hours of mindless whoring on some marathon maps yet when an AOW map comes up half the players leave because they don't have the skills required for AOW.

As for new maps, sure give some a try, but for God's sake you don't have to be a genius to realise most of them are either too big or too Nod biased to be worth trying. Cairo is a classic example of what I mean. No idea who added it to the rotation but it must rate as one of the dumbest decisions ever.

Also, if you could make your posts a bit less nerdy, I'm glad you realized something important, but I don't need you to tell me what I think.

Thanks

Gumby

Here we go. You can't just ignore me can you?

What did I say to make you think I don't accept other people's opinions? What the community wants always should and always will come before what I want. Yet you tell me how to try to write my posts. Could you not? Thanks.

 

By players like you, do you mean those that play 5 minutes of Renegade every 3 months? Should everyday players have to suffer because those who do not play try to make decisions that will be best for all? I don't think it's fair to the everyday players who keep our Renegade server populated.

[YesNoMayb]

Isn't mines the one with the roman architecture and the longass obelisk sightline? That map is big but there isn't much space for stanks to hide and the choke points are small enough that stanks can only realistically attack from one entrance if gdi has remotely any tanks. And people can scout that side with an APC.

Last week I organized a large APC rush and killed the PP easily. A med rush could do some big damage too. 

Remove Cairo immediately and add metropolis and land.

[creed3020]

I'm just happy that we're trying out some new maps in the rotation. I don't play daily but when I do I appreciate the new stuff.

If we swap one out may I make the recommendation that we keep its slot there and try out another new map. My suggestions would be Hangmans Canyon or Tropics.

 

[Guest rackz]

Metropolis is my favourite map:

https://img2.picload.org/image/rglaolil/game22016-05-1618-59-48-45.png

 

[Goztow]

Stop hijacking my topic. No map suggestions here please! 

[mdogg1108]

5 minutes ago, Goztow said:

Stop hijacking my topic. No map suggestions here please! 

Yes! Map suggestions should go in another thread! ;)

[StJohn Gumby]

4 hours ago, mdogg1108 said:

Here we go. You can't just ignore me can you?

What did I say to make you think I don't accept other people's opinions? What the community wants always should and always will come before what I want. Yet you tell me how to try to write my posts. Could you not? Thanks.

 

By players like you, do you mean those that play 5 minutes of Renegade every 3 months? Should everyday players have to suffer because those who do not play try to make decisions that will be best for all? I don't think it's fair to the everyday players who keep our Renegade server populated.

Hop off my dick please son.

Why do you think StJohn Gumby is the only nick i play under?

Gumby

[masscarriers]

It's obvious that all of the new maps we try aren't perfect or equally balanced, else they'd be liked by most and in the rotation already for quite some time. Most stock Westwood maps were great and well balanced, hence why we have almost every one of them as a permanent fixture on the rotation.

Sometimes people leave because they don't know some of the new maps enough to really enjoy them. Metro is a nice example, it's not bad by any mean (Nod sided however) but when you're running like a headless chicken at the beginning and not aware of all sneaking spots/choke points it's really tempting to skip it to something classic. Leave it for some more time in the rotation and people will learn to play it the right way and change their mind about it.

Mines has more problems but it's an original map and it feels refreshing even though it often leads to stalemates because winning is near impossible without teamwork. Between that and playing yet another round of walls/complex, I'd say leave it in the rotation. If people are massively fed up with it in a few months, then it can be removed.

Cairo is a whole other thing though. It needs to be removed, badly.

[creed3020]

I accidentally voted to keep Cairo, shame on me.

[StJohn Gumby]

11 minutes ago, creed3020 said:

I accidentally voted to keep Cairo, shame on me.

I'm glad you said that. I was just thinking, one good thing about this poll is it clearly shows who the retards are (if you analyse who voted for what).

Congratulations on playing your 'get out of jail free' card. 

Gumby

[shaitan]

The maps stuff is in the rcbot script now(gamemode.txt one they were already being relayed into).  http://adf.ly/1i5D9X

[StJohn Gumby]

Thanks for that Shai,

Seems like Carnage Club was a way bigger disaster than Cairo.

I'm surprised Cairo has had as many players as it does considering all the whining but I guess it's novelty value atm. I think it will become less popular in time tho'

Gumby

[Forithow]

Yeah for me, Cairo is too big for me to handle and sort of confusing on how 3 base defences and 2 pp work, one time when I played the map, it was just GDI who had 1 agt and Nod who had con yard and it took forever to walk to nod base without getting sniped at. MetroTS, I really like that map, played it two times on rencorner now and I enjoyed it both times (although I only played as nod on that map but not GDI). As for Mines, I have no idea about that map, only played it once and it ended really quickly, so didn't have a chance to play on that map. I am interested at your guys opinion on the maps and look forward to seeing what maps are removed in the future as well as what maps will be added. c:

[mdogg1108]

3 hours ago, StJohn Gumby said:

Hop off my dick please son.

Why do you think StJohn Gumby is the only nick i play under?

Gumby

If you truly wanted me to hop off your dick, you wouldn't keep trying to talk to me. Why is that?

Anyways, about your fake nicks.

There's three options here.

1. It's a lie.

2. It's true, but were still looking at around 10 minutes a month.

3. It's true, and you play oh so often, but you need to hide under a fake nick to avoid fulfilling moderator obligations.

Either way, I'm happy. You should learn to not to start drama. Thanks.

 

26 minutes ago, shaitan said:

The maps stuff is in the rcbot script now(gamemode.txt one they were already being relayed into).  http://adf.ly/1i5D9X

For Cairo, I counted 38 entries and 11 server shut downs. So about ~28% of the time (because it appears every shutdown is not necessarily a skip), the map is receiving enough votes to skip. Doesn't necessarily on the other maps, everyone voted no. I didn't look at every map but I imagine this must be on the higher side. Having this info is pretty interesting, it's great that the bot is able to do this.

Edited January 14, 2017 by mdogg1108

[StJohn Gumby]

Oh please,

Fuck off and die.

You're the biggest troll at Rencorner these days. Stop making out I give a shit about you because, trust me, I really don't give a flying fuck about you besides your puerile and asinine posts in which you seem to feel you have the right to take a sideswipe at me.

You are exactly the kind of retard that is killing Renegade with your pseudo expert attitude.

I've played Renegade for many years with a lot of good and intelligent people, many of whom have become personal friends, I don't think you're likely to become one of them.

Now please, sit down. And stop making yourself look so stupid.

Gumby