Mod chat log abuse

[alljustice]

• Time and Date.
  • 9/3/2023 approx 9pm CST 
• Cheaters name.
  • mm23
• Fully detailed list of what they where doing to make you assume they cheat.
  • I and others believe that mm23 was reading chat logs of opposing team to ensure their team victory on Under.
    • I was a SBH that got power down crate. My team rushed in with their vehicles bc we had field at the time, and I with sbh on foot. I get in position behind ref & wait for power to come back up as other teammates die. I tell the team to let them take field and I will nuke ref. Call for this 2x until team responds they understand & ask for nukes in base + countdown of 321 in chat to coordinate nuke deployment. 
    • Team calls for no killing in field. SBH in field counts and says how many are there - all the GDI team # on field corresponds to # of GDI. As the countdown starts (someone types 3 in chat then 2 then 1). APC driven by mm23 immediately leaves field, and go back to base. MM23 leaves field before I or other nod initiate deployment of nuke.
    • SBH notes deadeye/havoc leaving hill going tun back to GDI base as well when countdown of 3 starts in team chat of nod. Dont remember their names unfortunately.
    • Maybe 2s after nuke is deployed MM23 is at the ref along with the other 2 GDI - havoc/deadeye. 
    • So that means at our nod teamchat CD of 3 all three of them leave field and go back to base before any nuke has been deployed. Pretty sus especially b/c we had called / talked about / coordinated in team nod chat before the 321 countdown. 
    • There were no other admins online at the time. Only way GDI would have known I was there was mm23 reading teamlog of enemy team as a mod. 
• Screenshots / Videos / Logs / Witnesses.
  • Unfortunately I don't have any screenshots or video as I'm honestly pretty new to the game. Played this like last year sometime, and before that when I was a kid like 20yrs ago or so. 
  • Witnesses we have though - April War (spelling?) was one witness. I'm sure they can provide other witnesses to corroborate the story.

 

Thanks for looking into this.

[InspectorGadget]

hmm in case the havoc/deadeye had lost health it kinda would have made sense to give them a ride back to base for them to refill. and then from there if you had already placed the nuke it´s only natural to check the wf/ref/pp area on under, would be my first instinct too. and that´s probably just one of a few explanations for why that could have happened and it´s impossible to prove imo. maybe some admin can check gdi logs for that game if they reveal anything sus but if they do not, i don´t think we can do anything here.

 

also in general i kind of doubt it, mm23 doesn´t strike me as someone who needs to win in an obsessive way when he´s playing ren so i don´t think he would go as far as reading the opposite teams chat and abuse it.

 

i still think it´s great that you took the effort to post this so mm23 can give his side of the story and in case we do have some bad apples in our modteam we would not find out without people speaking out about it. we always rely on the players to report things to keep the game as protected as it can be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AprilWar]

Yeah, that s

1 hour ago, InspectorGadget said:

also in general i kind of doubt it, mm23 doesn´t strike me as someone who needs to win in an obsessive way when he´s playing ren so i don´t think he would go as far as reading the opposite teams chat and abuse it.

You haven't seen him play against me lol. This issue of mods reading logs or stream sniping isn't the 1st time it has happened btw. Tbh that sbh waited patiently to nuke the ref like +5 mins after power down crate, and somehow everyone ran toward the ref without hesitation without properly checking other bldgs and saying agt/wf clear (42:11 timestamp) - which would be the obvious candidates to check 1st and alert everyone. Might've been luck, I don't think there's any proof, but there were other instances in which GDI clearly knew the things we were saying in teams chat  e.g. 'no kills, don't kill harv, lets rush', etc 

[MemphisMafia23]

I think everyone who reads this thread can agree with me that AprilWar likes to sneak into base with stank or hop powerplant i've seen it happen to many times where power plant gets destroyed by AprilWar and i can and always will suspect that it'll be attempted again if AprilWar is on the opposing team on field, Besides whenever someone gets powerdown crate who isnt gonna go back to base and defend... Especially from nod sbhs.

 

1 hour ago, alljustice said:

I was a SBH that got power down crate.

[19:07] <&RCAOW> [Crate]4 GAXSTAR got the Power crate  ( Infantry )

1 hour ago, alljustice said:

There were no other admins online at the time. Only way GDI would have known I was there was mm23 reading teamlog of enemy team as a mod. 

Server Owner was in game at the time. (~OSTKshai) 

 

Any of Admins/Moderators can go back and look at logs to check, I have nothing to hide lol.

[shaitan]

Do note in the video all of the other people going to it, and second repair beam. Let alone he was paging me in the game right before that.

[InspectorGadget]

10 hours ago, AprilWar said:

Yeah, that s

You haven't seen him play against me lol. This issue of mods reading logs or stream sniping isn't the 1st time it has happened btw. Tbh that sbh waited patiently to nuke the ref like +5 mins after power down crate, and somehow everyone ran toward the ref without hesitation without properly checking other bldgs and saying agt/wf clear (42:11 timestamp) - which would be the obvious candidates to check 1st and alert everyone. Might've been luck, I don't think there's any proof, but there were other instances in which GDI clearly knew the things we were saying in teams chat  e.g. 'no kills, don't kill harv, lets rush', etc 

all i see is tayson going wf side and mm23 going ref/pp, yeah they do not say wf clear or anything, but i don´t either when i´m in an apc as i got a lot of speed and i try to find the nuke as quick as possible and not waste any time typing. if mm23 had read the chat, he would have known it is as ref and would have told his team immediately, no?

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. This issue of mods reading logs or stream sniping isn't the 1st time it has happened btw.

any proof for that? cause it might seem that way to you sometimes, but since you´re streaming people know what you are usually doing on some maps, on maps like field, under for instance you usually try to somehow sneak into the enemy base all game long, i don´t have to read any chat or watch your stream live to know that.

 

[alljustice]

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hmm in case the havoc/deadeye had lost health it kinda would have made sense to give them a ride back to base for them to refill. and then from there if you had already placed the nuke it´s only natural to check the wf/ref/pp area on under, would be my first instinct too. and that´s probably just one of a few explanations for why that could have happened and it´s impossible to prove imo. maybe some admin can check gdi logs for that game if they reveal anything sus but if they do not, i don´t think we can do anything here.

That's the thing - havoc/deadeye were on foot coming from PP tun straight to ref & not in APC. APC came from right side of ref if looking out to AGT from behind ref. 

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also in general i kind of doubt it, mm23 doesn´t strike me as someone who needs to win in an obsessive way when he´s playing ren so i don´t think he would go as far as reading the opposite teams chat and abuse it.

Fair enough

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i still think it´s great that you took the effort to post this so mm23 can give his side of the story and in case we do have some bad apples in our modteam we would not find out without people speaking out about it. we always rely on the players to report things to keep the game as protected as it can be.

sure, yw

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You haven't seen him play against me lol. This issue of mods reading logs or stream sniping isn't the 1st time it has happened btw. Tbh that sbh waited patiently to nuke the ref like +5 mins after power down crate, and somehow everyone ran toward the ref without hesitation without properly checking other bldgs and saying agt/wf clear (42:11 timestamp) - which would be the obvious candidates to check 1st and alert everyone. Might've been luck, I don't think there's any proof, but there were other instances in which GDI clearly knew the things we were saying in teams chat  e.g. 'no kills, don't kill harv, lets rush', etc 

To be fair I did wait like 3-5minutes after the buildings powered back up before even calling for no kill in field & coord nuke @ nod base while I nuke GDI ref.

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Do note in the video all of the other people going to it, and second repair beam. Let alone he was paging me in the game right before that.

Wheres the video you're referencing?

 

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  18 hours ago, alljustice said:

I was a SBH that got power down crate.

[19:07] <&RCAOW> [Crate]4 GAXSTAR got the Power crate  ( Infantry )

 

During under we got 2 or 3 power down crates. It was a long map. I left about 5min into the map around 6pm? Not 100% on time, and came back about 2hrs later to the same map. When !timeelapse it showed over 2hrs. Plus the time I actulaly spent playing the map once I came back those 2hrs later. Which was another 1-1.5hrs probably? 

 

16 hours ago, MemphisMafia23 said:

Server Owner was in game at the time. (~OSTKshai) 

 

I dont believe they were there the entire game. I recall OSTK being online for part of it, but don't think they stayed until the end when this happened.

 

 

What other mods can look up the logs to check? Perhaps see when OSTK left, the other power down crates obtained, etc.? 

 

To play Devils Advocate - I would say it would be easy to coordinate with your buddies via discord or another voice chat program that is outside of the mods ability to look up any logs in-game.

[ILL]

100% agree with alljustice here....I think it is time enough to have MM23 banned

[ExEric3]

Would be nice if someone from staff would update that distributed mIRC client with proper timestamps and with basic find script for better searching.

[Vultima]

I don't understand, the video doesn't look suspect at all...Its just a bunch of dudes running around, one of them was gonna go to the ref, one of the APCs goes around the WF, why would the other APC do the same route?

[Itai795]

20 hours ago, InspectorGadget said:

i still think it´s great that you took the effort to post this so mm23 can give his side of the story and in case we do have some bad apples in our modteam we would not find out without people speaking out about it. we always rely on the players to report things to keep the game as protected as it can be.

 

I agree, thanks alljustice.

I don't think there is something sus here neither - the simplest explanation (which is sometimes the best explanation) is that mm23 countered what he thought nod should be doing.

I remember I was accused one time for mining the harv walk on Under just when a Nod's SBH tried to do so - well duh, I thought to myself what would I do if I were on Nod (GDI had the field). This case is probably a similar situation.

In any case thanks for bringing it up.

[shaitan]

The video that is in Aprilwar's post, in this topic.

[Broly]

10 hours ago, InspectorGadget said:

all i see is tayson going wf side and mm23 going ref/pp, yeah they do not say wf clear or anything, but i don´t either when i´m in an apc as i got a lot of speed and i try to find the nuke as quick as possible and not waste any time typing. if mm23 had read the chat, he would have known it is as ref and would have told his team immediately, no?

any proof for that? cause it might seem that way to you sometimes, but since you´re streaming people know what you are usually doing on some maps, on maps like field, under for instance you usually try to somehow sneak into the enemy base all game long, i don´t have to read any chat or watch your stream live to know that.

 

I'd like to point out that MM23 possesses a ramjet sniper rifle. When he emerged from the tunnel with natural instinct, he proceeded to scope in on the power plant. Subsequently, he rotated his reticle 180 degrees towards a reference point, aligning perfectly in a diagonal walking direction toward the location of the nuclear device. It's worth noting that the ramjet sniper rifle incorporates built-in audio detection, commonly employed for tracking stealthy movement at a distance. Given his current angle, he benefits from impeccable nuclear audio detection capabilities. However, I am not commenting to deny anything he has done previously in the past, such as cheating with stream sniping or engaging in mod abuse. I did check my stream analytics and observed a viewer spike during that segment. Nevertheless, I lack the means to definitively identify who might have caused this spike. I believe that even if he did manage to avoid detection, there simply isn't sufficient evidence in this case to reach a conclusion. Nonetheless, it's important to acknowledge that we do have mod abuse issues that require addressing. In that context, this post remains valid.

[Vultima]

The amount of people that play and still don't realise ya sniper rifle is a effectively a big ass microphone baffles me, so it could just be that lol

[MemphisMafia23]

8 hours ago, alljustice said:

What other mods can look up the logs to check? Perhaps see when OSTK left, the other power down crates obtained, etc.? 

To look up and see if i alerted GDI about NOD sbh rushing to ref and waiting there til power went back up. Do you not have common sense of what to be cautious of when you're playing against NOD on under? Vehicles roam around the front main entrance so the least of my worries are AGT and WF, Barr is close enough for me to hear if its Pedestal, it wasnt so i moved onto Ref and Power Plant.

 

 

9 hours ago, alljustice said:

I dont believe they were there the entire game. I recall OSTK being online for part of it, but don't think they stayed until the end when this happened.

Wasn't referring to him being there all game i stated below that Server Owner was in game at the time and checking back to logs he stayed til the end of the map.

 

On 9/4/2023 at 7:19 PM, MemphisMafia23 said:

On 9/4/2023 at 5:03 PM, alljustice said:

There were no other admins online at the time. Only way GDI would have known I was there was mm23 reading teamlog of enemy team as a mod. 

Server Owner was in game at the time. (~OSTKshai) 

 

 

On 9/4/2023 at 6:56 PM, AprilWar said:

You haven't seen him play against me lol. This issue of mods reading logs or stream sniping isn't the 1st time it has happened btw. Tbh that sbh waited patiently to nuke the ref like +5 mins after power down crate, and somehow everyone ran toward the ref without hesitation without properly checking other bldgs and saying agt/wf clear (42:11 timestamp) - which would be the obvious candidates to check 1st and alert everyone. Might've been luck, I don't think there's any proof, but there were other instances in which GDI clearly knew the things we were saying in teams chat  e.g. 'no kills, don't kill harv, lets rush', etc 

Everyone did not run toward ref without hesitation "Without checking other bldgs".  You can clearly see that we had 2 apcs (Broly and Tayson) checking AGT and WF, leading to a question of why is anyone gonna run towards teammates to check something they already checked.

[alljustice]

21 hours ago, ILL said:

100% agree with alljustice here....I think it is time enough to have MM23 banned

I'm not asking for a ban, just someone to look into it was all. 

 

18 hours ago, shaitan said:

The video that is in Aprilwar's post, in this topic.

Thank you, I think I found it (Broly's stream?) and watched it. Was nice to see Broly's stream and how he manages all those snipes. :) 

 

12 hours ago, MemphisMafia23 said:

To look up and see if i alerted GDI about NOD sbh rushing to ref and waiting there til power went back up. Do you not have common sense of what to be cautious of when you're playing against NOD on under? Vehicles roam around the front main entrance so the least of my worries are AGT and WF, Barr is close enough for me to hear if its Pedestal, it wasnt so i moved onto Ref and Power Plant.

 

Oh wow, cool, thanks for insulting my intelligence and getting so defensive. Pretty weird behaviour especially since I've been so cordial and respectful. I was sure Broly's stream provided enough proof you did nothing, however with your latest defensive response of insulting my intelligence asking if I have common sense ... now I'm even more sus of you. An innocent person wouldn't get so defensive, and insult another person like that when they're being perfectly nice like I am. 

Seems like there are some bad eggs as mods and appears mm23 is one of those. 

 

Can someone from the mod team address mm23's poor attitude please? Much appreciated

 

 

 

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by alljustice
spelling/grammatical errors

[Vultima]

Ok well I think the topic has run it's course anyway, we will continue as always to monitor occurrences of mod abuse, however to be clear this is very hard to actually check for.

MM23 is not a bad guy or a bad moderator, I think it is almost somewhat natural to be defensive if you are being accused of something(especially if you didn't do it!).

As Inspector says it is good that you came to report on it, can't fault you for that, yes it's public, yes everyone can see this and it raises doubts but it is what it is...

[InspectorGadget]

yeah we rely in people speaking out if they think something is off. to be clear in this case i don´t see any evidence that there is. i understand it might have seemed weird when you´re the sbh planting the nuke and seeing the apc driving straight at you but nothing about that is so natural that it could have only been done after looking at chats.and it is a serious allegation, it´s only natural that mm23 isn´t too pleased with being accused of it.

i do even think a topic like this where mm23 has a chance to tell his version of the story is better than if alljustice would have complained about him for weeks ingame to his friends and maybe in public chat.

 

 

 

 

[alljustice]

Coming to your own defense and being civil, stating facts, and staying calm is one thing. Insulting another persons intelligence while defending yourself is a whole other story.  

Weird & telling of a deeper corruption to say the least with these 2 mods coming to defense of another mod who's insulting another persons intelligence. 

I thought we were supposed to be civil in game and on forums? Weird. Can't follow your own rules...... and a moderator should be the EXAMPLE for the rules followed not the one to break them.

I've learned y'all just stick together based on this thread. nbd I know where you stand now, and others who read this thread will too. 

Great leadership. <---- Sarcasm

Edited September 6, 2023 by alljustice

[alljustice]

1 hour ago, InspectorGadget said:

i do even think a topic like this where mm23 has a chance to tell his version of the story is better than if alljustice would have complained about him for weeks ingame to his friends and maybe in public chat.

I mean - why even mention this at that point? Feels like you're trying to make me out to be a bad guy. When in fact, I'm rather new to this server (not counting the couple of weeks I played a year or so ago), and have done nothing wrong except come to the forums to report a suspected cheat/abuser while keeping it 100% civil. 

Better response would be - thanks for coming to forums to address & keeping it civil letting mm23 state their case as well - like you already did - no point to double up on the same post/info. Couple of you mods are lacking tact in difficult situations, which should be the exact situations you remain tactful in. Not start throwing out hypothetical accusatory statements when I follow your rules of reporting.

Literally no point to reference a hypothetical situation that definitely didn't happen. With the situation you describe you're trying to make me out to be a bad person and tarnish my non-existent reputation when I've done nothing wrong, and only followed the rules y'all set in place. Which is coming to the forums to report a suspect of abuse. I asked how to report him & came here to do so since itai told me how on the day I made the report. 

Kind of weird we have to follow the rules but mods can abuse them with regard to dealing with/talking with players. 

 

[InspectorGadget]

well to be fair i could have kept your name out of it and said something like "it´s always better to come to the forums instead of bitching about it in secret or in the server only" which is what i meant, i´ll give you that. i didn´t mean to accuse you of anything. it was hypothetical, as you said yourself.

that being said, mm23 made his case which seemed perfectly reasonable, multiple people have given their stance which was that this is not as suspicious as you and some others felt it was and you didn´t seem very happy with that answer. i think it´s only natural that the tone gets more agressive from that point on.

so i could do the same to you as you´re doing to mm23 here by saying that "his tone is already indicating something sketchy" and throw that right back at you and say that how you handle the answer you got also indicates something sketchy. like wouldn´t the natural reaction of an unexperienced player who came here to have an honest investigation be "ok, a lot of experienced players here said mm23 acted reasonable and it didn´t have to be cheating on his part. so that´s probably what that was, my impression was wrong"? in case you accepted our judgement, wouldn´t it also be kinda nice to apologize to the mod you then wrongly accused of cheating? or do you disagree with our take still? care to explain these things to us?

 

 

 

 

[alljustice]

11 minutes ago, InspectorGadget said:

well to be fair i could have kept your name out of it and said something like "it´s always better to come to the forums instead of bitching about it in secret or in the server only" which is what i meant, i´ll give you that. i didn´t mean to accuse you of anything. it was hypothetical, as you said yourself.

Correct, you could have kept my name out of it, and said something like that, however you specifically and explicitly didn't. Your intention to defame and call into question my character by utilizing my handle/nickname is clear. As a mod, you I would hope that you would know better than to post something so inflammatory. 

 

  

6 minutes ago, InspectorGadget said:

that being said, mm23 made his case which seemed perfectly reasonable, multiple people have given their stance which was that this is not as suspicious as you and some others felt it was and you didn´t seem very happy with that answer. i think it´s only natural that the tone gets more agressive from that point on.

I never said I was unhappy with the answer, nor am I trying to fight it. In-fact I agreed with the conclusion based on Broly's video which I clearly stated in one of my other replies. I guess you didn't read it? 

 

6 minutes ago, InspectorGadget said:

so i could do the same to you as you´re doing to mm23 here by saying that "his tone is already indicating something sketchy" and throw that right back at you and say that how you handle the answer you got also indicates something sketchy. like wouldn´t the natural reaction of an unexperienced player who came here to have an honest investigation be "ok, a lot of experienced players here said mm23 acted reasonable and it didn´t have to be cheating on his part. so that´s probably what that was, my impression was wrong"? in case you accepted our judgement, wouldn´t it also be kinda nice to apologize to the mod you then wrongly accused of cheating? or do you disagree with our take still? care to explain these things to us?

 

Again, I already acknowledged in my previous post that based on the video stream from Broly I don't think mm23 was abusing anything. Also, I'm more than happy to apologize to mm23. In-fact I will send them a private message now after I post this as well as publicly post an apology for mm23 in reply to this thread for all to see. 

However, with your logic of issuing apologies for false accusations/insinuations that someone did then I am owed an apology from mm23 for him demeaning my intelligence (which honestly is far worse than posting a claim someone is abusing / cheating - much more malicious). 

As well as an apology from you for insinuating that I would, or could have taken this to incessant ingame chat flaming. Which is again worse than me posting a civil claim about abuse.

Weird mod behaviour from you Inspector I gotta say. Telling me I need to apologize and not apologizing yourself  

[alljustice]

@MemphisMafia23

I realize after watching Broly's stream video that was posted above that you and the others didn't actually committ any abuse or cheating. My apologies for accusing you of reading enemy team logs. 

Sorry for questioning your character as a mod/person.

 

I just felt it was a little sus at the time, but again not sus after watching Broly's stream.

 

Next time you won't be so lucky to find the nuke (hopefully) ;) 

 

[alljustice]

4 hours ago, alljustice said:

21 hours ago, shaitan said:

The video that is in Aprilwar's post, in this topic.

Thank you, I think I found it (Broly's stream?) and watched it. Was nice to see Broly's stream and how he manages all those snipes. :) 

@InspectorGadget

Just so you can clearly see, this is where I agreed and concluded that no abuse was committed. As a mod I would say it's your duty to read entire threads and posts by people instead of making more accusatory statements like the one I'm quoting you on below.

23 minutes ago, InspectorGadget said:

you didn´t seem very happy with that answer.

If you had read my post entirely like a mod normally does, you would see that I clearly am fine with the result of my initial inquiry. I moved on to his and your inflammatory responses which you have even further exacerbated with your lack of tact. I'm confident you can do better as a mod than being so thoughtless with your responses.

[shaitan]

I'm glad this is under control. Closing.