Vultima - Resignation

[Vultima]

Hello everyone, Iv naturally been a member of the RC community for quite some time now, and had a blast with you all, that said I think it is time we parted ways, in my typical no bullshit approach, il be frank this is tougher than I expected to write...

In my time at RC I have tried to make changes for the betterment of the community, whether that be making improvements to the website, typical moderating, or trying to increase clarity on the ruleset, or just try and listen more to the community to what changes they want and try to implement them, and I hope the community continues to grow and improve in my absence but the betterment of RC individually isn't my sole purpose, at least not anymore, and I'd be fooling if I were to conduct myself otherwise - but rather the betterment of Renegade overall.

Truth be told, RC is no longer my priority on the Renegade front, the ReneWars micro-community currently is, and it takes up a large portion of my time, time which I can no longer commit to RC - I havn't played a "serious" game in RC's servers for some time, Iv always leaned to a more competitive spirit of gaming, which is clear clear from my choice of other games I play in my free time, CS2, Dota2 and so on...

A large part of this decision, but not all, is I can no longer deal with the clear resentment from certain members of staff about the "side community" and I am growing tired of defending my position on the matter, I feel like it crops up almost every week now, it weighs heavily on me and I'd rather not deal with the pressure and have no interest in navigating the waters between 2 borders as such - To be clear, I did initially try to integrate it with RC under the RC community war servers/under the RC brand, but didn't ultimately have the freedom to do what I wanted to achieve, hence why this side community exists in the first place.
I was also a little bit disappointed in what I can only perceive as an attempt to spy on the ReneWars discord of which reporting back to shai with out of context snippets from the discord, where the perceived assumption was there is some 'RC' bashing going on, which is just not the case, it was taken entirely out of context - Im not so annoyed the individual act, but rather at the fact that than when Renegade continues to grow ever near to it's end of life there is still this "us vs them" mentality going on, it needs to stop, it was maybe "fun" and "cool" back in the day to have community rivalry and stirred up excitement, but now it's just pathetic really, can't afford to be like that now.
Yes, the competitive community of Renegade "comes and goes" like waves year after year, but it has been going on strong for 3 months now, despite being a closed knit group of people and regardless of this wave inevitably dying out, will continue to ride it out.

On that topic, we all know that there are members staff that are both here, and within the RW community(albeit not staff, we have no concept of staff, it's a mostly flat hierarchy with everyone pitching in), myself and them included have never tried to undermine RC in any way and will continue to behave as such, so do not look at them any differently, or treat them differently.

I am also worried about other stuff, which if approached I will be more than willing to explain completely and transparently which I have perhaps prevented myself from saying in the past in fear of drama, that I will leave out of this topic specifically for fear of...well drama - Il only share such stuff with Admins of RC.

I don't mind being given temp moderation status whilst in the server to deal with the basic bits of team-hampering/AFKing while I am in-game, but that will be all I limit myself to going forwards, I am absolving myself of all moderation duties and won't be accessing anything.

To make things easier @shaitan whilst I am here, this means the following access of mine needs to be removed/changed, but just know I will never attempt to screw over RC that crap is just stupid and I have more integrity than that, so don't be fearful of such a thing happening.

- WHM/Forums/Invision Logins
- FTP
- In-game status
- IRC Oper/Channel access
- Discord
- I have also deleted all files concerning the Renegade servers off all of my machines/backups (Im sure to find more laying about, but i'll remove them!)

Goodbye all, it has been a pleasure I am sure to catch you ingame at some point!

[Goztow]

Denied to be honest. I do not read any good reasons for you to quit RC there. I only read good reasons for you to have a talk with the admins to hopefully improve RC's relations with renewars and improve RC's organisation. 

It's time everyone who's doing something to keep renegade alive start working together. Vultima you've done a wonderful job with renewars. I love playing there as much as I love playing on the public server. It started as a rc initiative. I was there at the beginning. I totally get why u changed servers to get more freedom in server configuration. There is no competition between the rc and rw experience as both are so different. 

Let's talk this out. And let's find a way to work together. 

Ps. I'm fully aware I cannot deny anything and I'm not one to decide on that. It's a matter of speaking

[ExEric3]

3 hours ago, Vultima said:

Goodbye all, it has been a pleasure I am sure to catch you ingame at some point!

When I will leave, will you stay here?

[Vultima]

7 hours ago, ExEric3 said:

When I will leave, will you stay here?

This isn't remotely even 1 bit about you Eric lol, I said it once Il say it again, not everyone is the enemy, relax.
 

[masscarriers]

Denied!

I also resigned years ago and they just wouldn't let me. Welcome to the club mate.

Jokes aside, I'm out of the loop regarding this whole situation but I'm sure this can be talked out. It just doesn't seem like a good reason for you to cut a clear line between the two and delete all your stuff. That whole spying thing looks more like a "them" problem than a "you" one. Then again I don't know the whole thing so maybe there's more to it but they'll figure it out...

[UksRene]

Goodluck m8 all the best for ur future thanks for what you have done 

[Manuel857]

16 hours ago, Vultima said:

 

Truth be told, RC is no longer my priority on the Renegade front, the ReneWars micro-community currently is, and it takes up a large portion of my time, time which I can no longer commit to RC - I havn't played a "serious" game in RC's servers for some time, Iv always leaned to a more competitive spirit of gaming, which is clear clear from my choice of other games I play in my free time, CS2, Dota2 and so on...
 

Funny you say that, but before posting this you went ahead and applied for moderator at MPF. So it means that RC isn't competitive but MPF is? Okay then.

[Goztow]

I do not think that's the right question @Manuel857. What can make Renegade's longevity improve? How can we keep people who care for the game motivated to dedicate their time and effort for it?

Vultima may not do everything right, but he cares for the game as much and probably more than most of us. And he cares / cared for RC. It's a real loss to see him go. RC should be fighting to keep these kind of dedicated persons here. And should be cooperating with whomever is still out there to keep Renegade strong.

[Joetorp]

Sorry to see you leave, you have done good things for the server and website.  Good luck!

[BiLLaBoNg]

52 minutes ago, Goztow said:

I do not think that's the right question @Manuel857. What can make Renegade's longevity improve? How can we keep people who care for the game motivated to dedicate their time and effort for it?

Vultima may not do everything right, but he cares for the game as much and probably more than most of us. And he cares / cared for RC. It's a real loss to see him go. RC should be fighting to keep these kind of dedicated persons here. And should be cooperating with whomever is still out there to keep Renegade strong.

Vultima will do his best to make Renegade better and last longer, no doubt. I believe what Manny is eluding to, is the fact that he put in a mod app to MPF, then some hours later resigned here, but not after saying, " time which I can no longer commit to RC" which I could see being perceived a little contradicting. I realize also that I'm taking 1 line out of a whole multi-paragraph post of his explanation of reasoning.

Edited December 4, 2023 by BiLLaBoNg

[Manuel857]

31 minutes ago, BiLLaBoNg said:

Vultima will do his best to make Renegade better and last longer, no doubt. I believe what Manny is eluding to, is the fact that he put in a mod app to MPF, then some hours later resigned here, but not after saying, " time which I can no longer commit to RC" which I could see being perceived a little contradicting. I realize also that I'm taking 1 line out of a whole multi-paragraph post of his explanation of reasoning.

This^. I do agree that this is a in fact a huge loss for RC. It's just too bad this ended this way. Wished things were different.

[InspectorGadget]

which is a bit funny since vultima hasn´t said time restraints are his only reason to leave and you have been contributing to the other reasons he´s leaving. and you´re showing that in this topic again by focusing only on time to try and make a point which wouldn´t even be that much of a point if you would allow yourself to understand the whole context vult has given. so you could have contributed to things being different in the past but you´re still choosing not to as of right now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Itai795]

I hope admins can talk this out and vultima's decision will be reverted. If not, I'm sorry to see you go vultima, I will of course see you again, and wish you luck with everything you do, Ren and not Ren related.

[ExEric3]

Im remembering him from Black-Cell.net times. I personally got some hates level against him mainly when he dropped me out from his server box since he wanted that 4.8 private fixed builds which is already here for 9 months just in private mode from which profit actually only MPF/VultiServ. Now I know this decission and condition to take me out comes from Unstoppable. But its still not something why I wouldnt talk with Vultima. I was also accussed for flooding/hacking his server box after he kicked me out. Dont know someone tried make some drama.

ReneWars under RC? Im not hearing it first time. Whats real issue? After discussion with shaitan Im touching slowly AOW server also. We havent communication channels? Discord/IRC/emails? Nobody contacted me "hey lets try this". Its same shit like that MPF servers on the list: modified, unmodified, less modified, modern aow, coding, testing servers and etc. What about that issues with hostnames when shaitan gave them one hostname since their box was hacked? How much times shaitan helped them and others also? What about that whole control over gamespy and collecting IPs of players and then scanning them against open ports? Looks like everyone forgotten about MPF have control over scripts throught Unstoppable? Its not personal hate its just weird thing of centralisation where as community havent access. And players complaints why they splitting player base. We have 40 players and 26 servers you guys noticed it?

I thought I will work with Vultima on that serial implementation and finally make Ren better against that VPNs/Serials shits. But looks like its going again wrong way.

[Goztow]

Admins should talk to Vultima, stop focussing on this MPF-thing and talk about all the rest.

[ExEric3]

1 hour ago, Goztow said:

Admins should talk to Vultima, stop focussing on this MPF-thing and talk about all the rest.

Open finally your eyes. Last years its only about RC and MPF as last ren communities.

[Tuna]

Yes, he came to that decision because of the following:
 

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A large part of this decision, but not all, is I can no longer deal with the clear resentment from certain members of staff about the "side community" and I am growing tired of defending my position on the matter, I feel like it crops up almost every week now, it weighs heavily on me and I'd rather not deal with the pressure and have no interest in navigating the waters between 2 borders as such - To be clear, I did initially try to integrate it with RC under the RC community war servers/under the RC brand, but didn't ultimately have the freedom to do what I wanted to achieve, hence why this side community exists in the first place.
I was also a little bit disappointed in what I can only perceive as an attempt to spy on the ReneWars discord of which reporting back to shai with out of context snippets from the discord, where the perceived assumption was there is some 'RC' bashing going on, which is just not the case, it was taken entirely out of context - Im not so annoyed the individual act, but rather at the fact that than when Renegade continues to grow ever near to it's end of life there is still this "us vs them" mentality going on, it needs to stop, it was maybe "fun" and "cool" back in the day to have community rivalry and stirred up excitement, but now it's just pathetic really, can't afford to be like that now.
Yes, the competitive community of Renegade "comes and goes" like waves year after year, but it has been going on strong for 3 months now, despite being a closed knit group of people and regardless of this wave inevitably dying out, will continue to ride it out.

On that topic, we all know that there are members staff that are both here, and within the RW community(albeit not staff, we have no concept of staff, it's a mostly flat hierarchy with everyone pitching in), myself and them included have never tried to undermine RC in any way and will continue to behave as such, so do not look at them any differently, or treat them differently.

I am also worried about other stuff, which if approached I will be more than willing to explain completely and transparently which I have perhaps prevented myself from saying in the past in fear of drama, that I will leave out of this topic specifically for fear of...well drama - Il only share such stuff with Admins of RC.

 

[InspectorGadget]

i mean in all honesty vultima right now is gone for good. the question is does rencorner learn anything from that or does it not. and maybe if things go into the correct direction there is a chance to realign in the future. but right now as someone who talks with him a lot about these things there is no way he´s coming back at this point

 

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by InspectorGadget

[shaitan]

There was resentment, and I did stick up for him in those gripe posts over the months. I didn't stick up for the moderators who decided to piss off here, and talk shit over there, though.

I'm not going to bother trying with you, Inspector. You all in that clique showed me your loyalty...or lack thereof. I'm not going to standby anymore and watch you yanking more people away. That shit ends now, you will be under the same rules as anyone else when it comes to advertising.

Your "direction" meant forcing people to use a forum/etc in order to login for a vpn plugin. Which, will have the desired effect, true. Yet, will also alienate any new/returning players.

The "direction" you guys wanted on the comwar server: you had that ability, you pissed it away. I gave Goztow and Vultima access to that to do whatever with. You guys threw a fit about wanting a second server, so I set it up on another PC...you played the second server one time.

 

As for MPF? After this bullshit, I cut any ties I had with them.

[BiLLaBoNg]

On 12/4/2023 at 5:06 PM, BiLLaBoNg said:

I realize also that I'm taking 1 line out of a whole multi-paragraph post of his explanation of reasoning.

Why are we acting like this wasn't mentioned lol It's acknowledged there was more to his reasoning but it is fair that others perceive "time" as contradicting with his application for staff at another server.

Edited December 6, 2023 by BiLLaBoNg

[nameismud]

On 12/4/2023 at 4:06 PM, BiLLaBoNg said:

Vultima will do his best to make Renegade better and last longer, no doubt. I believe what Manny is eluding to, is the fact that he put in a mod app to MPF, then some hours later resigned here, but not after saying, " time which I can no longer commit to RC" which I could see being perceived a little contradicting. I realize also that I'm taking 1 line out of a whole multi-paragraph post of his explanation of reasoning.

I have no idea but it would appear that vult/unstoppable share similar views on how things should be done with Renegade and collaborate with each other, which would mean he's not really wasting his time, like he feels he's doing at RC.

[InspectorGadget]

6 hours ago, shaitan said:

There was resentment, and I did stick up for him in those gripe posts over the months. I didn't stick up for the moderators who decided to piss off here, and talk shit over there, though.

I'm not going to bother trying with you, Inspector. You all in that clique showed me your loyalty...or lack thereof. I'm not going to standby anymore and watch you yanking more people away. That shit ends now, you will be under the same rules as anyone else when it comes to advertising.

Your "direction" meant forcing people to use a forum/etc in order to login for a vpn plugin. Which, will have the desired effect, true. Yet, will also alienate any new/returning players.

The "direction" you guys wanted on the comwar server: you had that ability, you pissed it away. I gave Goztow and Vultima access to that to do whatever with. You guys threw a fit about wanting a second server, so I set it up on another PC...you played the second server one time.

 

As for MPF? After this bullshit, I cut any ties I had with them.

how nice of you to question my loyality. only thing i did was to play on a different server that allows a totally different gaming experience from that on rencorner and pointing out that it´s pretty laughable that we fix issues there that occurr instanly while rencorner isn´t set up in a way to deal with them at all most of the time and is very slow to do so in other instances. it took you guys over a year to fix the mine limit issue. and if anything that should be the other way round given that rencorner is the flagship renegade server. i´ve also pointing these things out and voicing my frustrations about those inablities before vultserv even existed. like please go ahead, post my "shittalking" here in this thread for all to see. how many people here do you think even disagree with what i said there?

amd still during all that time i´ve continued to play on rencorner, of course less than before, did my modwork ingame, gave my opinion on the forums and the mod-discord, recruited mods etc. so it´s pretty rich for you to come here and question my loyality. you do not own me, you cannot dictate where i play. me moding is doing rencorner and the playerbase a service, not the other way round and if i and others choose to enjoy the more competetive setting more that should be absolutely okay. however for some reason, you have always considered this to be a threat which amongst other things resulted in vultima cutting ties cause he was fed up with all the bs he has been given.

 

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The "direction" you guys wanted on the comwar server: you had that ability, you pissed it away. I gave Goztow and Vultima access to that to do whatever with. You guys threw a fit about wanting a second server, so I set it up on another PC...you played the second server one time.

when we started this under rencorner the access that was given to vult was very slow/too little and it annoyed him often at the time which is why he decided to create his own thing. i don´t know any specifics anymore but saying he could do whatever he wanted just isn´t true.

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Your "direction" meant forcing people to use a forum/etc in order to login for a vpn plugin. Which, will have the desired effect, true. Yet, will also alienate any new/returning players.

it´s not only about that though. like sure, maybe you disagree about this and don´t want to have it implemented, i was voicing the same concern when vultima came up with the idea orgininally. it´s more that you guys see some pride in the "ducttape" status of the rencorner server and vultima and some others like me are seeing it as a risk. this is not a case of "vultima wasn´t allowed to do his one thing that could have had negative effects and couldn´t take it so fucked off" it´s about completely being reluctant to any change whatsoever whilst at the same time trying to even control what other people are doing and being bitchy when they dare to spend their free leisure time playing games on a different server than yours which is completely backwards logic.

 

 

 

 

 

[shaitan]

You, specifically, are one of the ones who ran his mouth the most. Post your own logs of it. You, specifically, are why I'm saying you guys in that clique are disloyal.

Play where you want, but you won't be using this place as your stepping stone any further. Did you seriously think that was going to continue?

 

[nameismud]

42 minutes ago, shaitan said:

You, specifically, are one of the ones who ran his mouth the most. Post your own logs of it. You, specifically, are why I'm saying you guys in that clique are disloyal.

Play where you want, but you won't be using this place as your stepping stone any further. Did you seriously think that was going to continue?

 

Shai, I’ll never understand some of your responses. I often am confused on where you land and just choose to ignore it. I am loyal as can be to ren and thankful for what you have done for renegade and that should show by now. But you’re responding to most of these complaints the same way US politician respond.  At the very least if you’re not going to implement some of these ideas you should respond with why. Like I said before you know where I stand, but I too have always wondered why we do things the way we do.

[InspectorGadget]

3 hours ago, shaitan said:

You, specifically, are one of the ones who ran his mouth the most. Post your own logs of it. You, specifically, are why I'm saying you guys in that clique are disloyal.

Play where you want, but you won't be using this place as your stepping stone any further. Did you seriously think that was going to continue?

 

i´m not going spend my time guessing what you have taken issue with or what some people have sent you. i have no sense of having done or said something wrong, so i once again encourage you to go ahead and share what you´re viewing as disloyal. and then i´m going to say my piece about them and everyone can decide for themselves if it actually is. i´m pretty confident most people here would agree with me rather than you

 

the allegation that i would use this place as a stepping stone is also completely bonkers like what does it even mean. stepping stone to what? this isn´t my job, it´s a game that i play in my free time and where i chose to help out as a moderator and where i think i have done a decent job as.

besides me playing not as much on rencorner as i used to cause the funwars showed up, asking players to join the funwars mostly at a timeslot where funwars were still very much a rencorner thing which are both absolutely reasonable things to do you have absolutely no indication of my so called "disloyality".

care to rememeber what my position was when volcom showed up and tried to be boss again? care to remember what vultimas was? if our goal was harming rencorner or dethroning you or whatever, why wouldn´t we have taken the opportunity for it then? this all is still simply a disagreement about what rencorner should be doing, mostly when it comes to server development/coding. you had a non available coder for years that to this day refuses to share his code to others so they can work with it. you could have replaced his entire code from guys like vultima and had it newer, better and open source for someone to take over if vult was ever absent. you chose to ignore that opportunity. yes it would have taken a while but had you given him access initally we´d already been done with it right now and had a very good setup for the future.

now your only coder is exeric who is fairly capable but you don´t fully trust him and the majority of our playerbase thinks he cheats and who has shown zero effort in trying to refute those allegations. it´s better than reyling on someone who isn´t available but it´s still very far from optimal and it could have been so much better if you weren´t so reluctant to change and giving people access. and now you´re still vilfying them for going somewhere else where they could do what seemed best to them

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by InspectorGadget