iK4l3l Posted January 3 Posted January 3 i never tc, even if im losing and teams need to be evened.. i only tc if someone pms me and ask me to tc.. when some ppl are on losing team, they just sit in a corner and watch the team player counts so they will tc immdiately when someone leaves.. if they do it on every game they are losing, its kinda abuse of the command.. disable tc or bring restrictions? something like a player can tc only once in 24 hrs.. 1
Developer ExEric3 Posted January 4 Developer Posted January 4 Yeah there are others people who abuse it like Demon, Heroine and cocain. 1
Manuel857 Posted January 4 Posted January 4 16 hours ago, Goztow said: Just need to disable it for ill. it already is. 1 3
shaitan Posted January 4 Posted January 4 The complaints of teams in the bot(!requestmods) show removing rtc/tc would be unwise. 1
Developer ExEric3 Posted January 4 Developer Posted January 4 For that I made block rtc system which will block abusers. 1 1
mdogg1108 Posted January 5 Posted January 5 no one really wants to swap teams in a 25 vs 20 game when the 20 player team is missing 4 buildings and the 25 player team is going to win. that being said disabling all together is retarded but thats already been answered.
iK4l3l Posted January 5 Author Posted January 5 7 hours ago, mdogg1108 said: no one really wants to swap teams in a 25 vs 20 game when the 20 player team is missing 4 buildings and the 25 player team is going to win. we dont expect or force anyone to swap to losing team.. we are talking about some ppl regularly swap to wining team.. they even stop playing when their team is losing and just wait someone on wining team to leave so they can swap immidiately.. by the time they are not helping their team..
BiLLaBoNg Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) 21 hours ago, shaitan said: The complaints of teams in the bot(!requestmods) show removing rtc/tc would be unwise. 21 hours ago, ExEric3 said: For that I made block rtc system which will block abusers. you guys spend way too much time deliberating on trivial things like this instead of solving the root problem. 1. when there are no buildings destroyed and teams are unbalanced, use a script to auto move the lowest point person from the higher player team after X minutes of teams being unbalanced. take the politics and emotion out of it AND ACTUALLY remove a task from a mod, improve satisfaction of the players, reduce # of complains. 2. when 1 or more buildings are destroyed, block above script and do not force balancing of teams. Edited January 5 by BiLLaBoNg 5
iK4l3l Posted January 5 Author Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, BiLLaBoNg said: when there are no buildings destroyed and teams are unbalanced, use a script to auto move the lowest point person from the higher player team after X minutes of teams being unbalanced. take the politics and emotion out of it AND ACTUALLY remove a task from a mod. thumbs up to this idea.. tc really needs to be disabled, there actually are too many players who abuse this command.. its not only they change to wining team, but they also stop playing and helping their team and just wait for the right moment to tc..
Hex Posted January 5 Posted January 5 The function should dactivate after 5 minutes of the map unless teams are uneven imo
Xylaquin Posted January 5 Posted January 5 3 hours ago, Hex said: The function should dactivate after 5 minutes of the map unless teams are uneven imo I actually wonder if swapping should be disabled for the first 10/20 minutes completely, to discourage team-stacking/clan-stacking. The only legitimate reason for swapping teams is to balance the player count, so I'd go with BiLLaBoNg's conditions.
BIGMACK Posted January 5 Posted January 5 lately I had one game - I had to swap to balance teams 2 times in the same match - that was weird - because no script took effect when its 15vs10 or the losing team has no ref/wf/bar and no 1 want to !tc,
shaitan Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Sweet summer children, some of you were here(billa as a mod, even) when !teams was an actual command that was tested out a few years ago, and not that long ago in another version of it. Do I need to remind you guys of the rage that happens when people get swapped? 3 1 1
BiLLaBoNg Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, shaitan said: Sweet summer children, some of you were here(billa as a mod, even) when !teams was an actual command that was tested out a few years ago, and not that long ago in another version of it. Do I need to remind you guys of the rage that happens when people get swapped? sweet summer owner, you're missing the point of my suggestion - remove the manual process, remove the human intervention, make it part of your server, remove the emotion out of it. I didn't say it would completely remove the complaining - that will always exist, EvEn WhEN I WaS mOD - but it will reduce the # of times there is bitching when teams are unfair and your mods dont do shit about it EvEN wHEn I wAS MoD you didn't take anything i said seriously. 2
iK4l3l Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 since disabling tc doesn't seem like an option, consider restricting it? such as a player can tc only once in 24 hrs.. 1
MarcPoulet Posted January 6 Posted January 6 3 hours ago, BIGMACK said: lately I had one game - I had to swap to balance teams 2 times in the same match - that was weird - because no script took effect when its 15vs10 or the losing team has no ref/wf/bar and no 1 want to !tc, You're gonna have to swap sometimes 2-3-4 times when you'll become mod one day 😁
BiLLaBoNg Posted January 6 Posted January 6 3 minutes ago, MarcPoulet said: You're gonna have to swap sometimes 2-3-4 times when you'll become mod one day 😁 literally wont need to happen unless a mods chooses to if you simply put effort into making productive scripts instead of personal, targeted player ones.
shaitan Posted January 6 Posted January 6 1 hour ago, BiLLaBoNg said: sweet summer owner, you're missing the point of my suggestion - remove the manual process, remove the human intervention, make it part of your server, remove the emotion out of it. I didn't say it would completely remove the complaining - that will always exist, EvEn WhEN I WaS mOD - but it will reduce the # of times there is bitching when teams are unfair and your mods dont do shit about it EvEN wHEn I wAS MoD you didn't take anything i said seriously. My wayward son; did I not say it was tried in multiple ways? You're thinking !teams was only done by mods, and not RCAOW/RCBOT automatically doing it. You think I/others didn't then change those scripts to further automate it? It's funny that you think there was zero rage when a robot changed people's teams.
mdogg1108 Posted January 6 Posted January 6 20 hours ago, mdogg1108 said: no one really wants to swap teams in a 25 vs 20 game when the 20 player team is missing 4 buildings and the 25 player team is going to win. that being said disabling all together is retarded but thats already been answered. 12 hours ago, iK4l3l said: we dont expect or force anyone to swap to losing team.. we are talking about some ppl regularly swap to wining team.. they even stop playing when their team is losing and just wait someone on wining team to leave so they can swap immidiately.. by the time they are not helping their team.. 12 hours ago, iK4l3l said: thumbs up to this idea.. tc really needs to be disabled, there actually are too many players who abuse this command.. its not only they change to wining team, but they also stop playing and helping their team and just wait for the right moment to tc.. soooooooo back to my original point disabling altogether the command from the server is retarded. should just be on an individual basis.
Xylaquin Posted January 6 Posted January 6 6 hours ago, shaitan said: It's funny that you think there was zero rage when a robot changed people's teams. I can understand high-points players being angry being swapped over automatically, because they've invested kills/repairs/teamplay for their team. But BiLLaBoNg's idea was for the low/zero points players to be moved over. Players who havn't yet invested and so are far less likely to get justifiably frustrated. Alternatively, take the chaotic approach: completely remove team swapping and if teams get unbalanced... so what. The match will be over soon and then everyone will be rebalanced lol
Assault Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Definitely, something always happens in this game. Why not leave the game as it was created and made? There are always complaints from one player or a small minority of people who complain in one way or another, which always forces changes to be demanded to alter the way the game works. Already, with the !squad feature, which was limited to 3 players together, not everyone who used this feature applied it, and it didn’t necessarily cause any imbalance. Stop always wanting to change the game. If players are already waiting to use !rtc or waiting until the end of the game because they can’t use !rtc, removing this feature won’t fix anything. The player will still wait on their own or find another way, letting the game go on.
iK4l3l Posted January 6 Author Posted January 6 (edited) Let this be an example for the topic.. Map: Old Times Date: 6 January 2026 Time: 5:04 PM GMT Cap was GDI, Tomo and Shad was NOD.. According to my observations, cap always tries to join/change to these players team.. So in this case he just sat in his base for 13 mins with only 42 points, waiting someone to leave so he can tc.. He always does this, u can check logs history to see how often he uses tc command.. Edited January 6 by iK4l3l 1
Xylaquin Posted January 6 Posted January 6 8 hours ago, Assault said: Definitely, something always happens in this game. Why not leave the game as it was created and made? There are always complaints from one player or a small minority of people who complain in one way or another, which always forces changes to be demanded to alter the way the game works. Already, with the !squad feature, which was limited to 3 players together, not everyone who used this feature applied it, and it didn’t necessarily cause any imbalance. Stop always wanting to change the game. If players are already waiting to use !rtc or waiting until the end of the game because they can’t use !rtc, removing this feature won’t fix anything. The player will still wait on their own or find another way, letting the game go on. I agree a little bit, but complaints and feedback are fine so long as they can be backed up with logic or evidence. Difference of opinion will happen especially now that the remaining community is more or less sharing the one server. I still think BiLLaBoNg's idea makes sense. Players should only be switching teams as a result of server imbalance, so get rid of squads/tc and make it an automatic server function that only affects players with the lowest points, as they're most like to have joined the latest, least likely to have invested in playing for their team and thus least likely to get annoyed at being auto-changed by the server. 54 minutes ago, iK4l3l said: So in this case he just sat in his base for 13 mins with only 42 points, waiting someone to leave so he can tc.. Is there an AFK feature? If someone sits in the base for 5 minutes do they get auto-kicked?
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