!donate delay

[Feda]

The apc rush (the first minute one) happens too often, on almost every non-defenses map. This way many great maps end too fast, just because 2-3 ppl donate to some1 for an apc instead of going there, do some harassment to the harv or c4 buildings for money. I'm proposing a delay of about 2 or 3 minutes for the donation command, the amount of minutes can be discussed but I honestly think disabling donation for a few minutes would really make the server better and some good non-defense maps won't end so fast.

 

Opinions?

[ehh]

^

 

donate to 5 minutes would be cool.

[Joetorp]

^

 

donate to 5 minutes would be cool.

I agree,  5 seconds is way to short and takes the fun out of the game. 

[StJohn Gumby]

The apc rush (the first minute one) happens too often, on almost every non-defenses map. This way many great maps end too fast, just because 2-3 ppl donate to some1 for an apc instead of going there, do some harassment to the harv or c4 buildings for money. I'm proposing a delay of about 2 or 3 minutes for the donation command, the amount of minutes can be discussed but I honestly think disabling donation for a few minutes would really make the server better and some good non-defense maps won't end so fast.

 

Opinions?

 

In my opinion that's called teamwork.

 

If both teams work together and donate (which they can), or defend buildings properly I don't see the problem.

 

If you nerf the both the starting credits and the ability to donate all that will happen is players will do fuck all until the harvy drops and then buy Arty and MRLS.

 

Every game would just be endless, mindless, pointwhoring, hour after hour, on every map.

 

My opinion is change nothing. Eventually people will get tired of losing and learn to teamplay.

 

Gumby

[ehh]

there might actually play the game properly instead

 

plenty of maps are ruined in 6v6's and less because one team donates and one doesn't in the first 5 seconds

 

donating isnt teamwork.

[StJohn Gumby]

Of course donating is teamwork

 

2 players pool credits to improve their teams chances of winning. Go figure.

 

If both teams work together I don't see a problem. If only one team do it of course it's a problem if it's not the team you're on.

 

Teamwork isn't that great here at RenCorner because Marathon servers tend to promote selfish pointwhoring rather than teamwork.

 

Probably explains why I prefer AOW and Commwars to Marathon.

 

Gumby

[Joetorp]

In my opinion that's called teamwork.

 

If both teams work together and donate (which they can), or defend buildings properly I don't see the problem.

 

If you nerf the both the starting credits and the ability to donate all that will happen is players will do fuck all until the harvy drops and then buy Arty and MRLS.

 

Every game would just be endless, mindless, pointwhoring, hour after hour, on every map.

 

My opinion is change nothing. Eventually people will get tired of losing and learn to teamplay.

 

Gumby

Eventually people will get tired if losing and quit!

 

This game is 11 years old.  Few people have learned teamwork, Teamwork happens with a leader, in public games, few people step up.

5 minutes gives each side a chance and makes the playing experience fun.

Joe

[ehh]

so people who try to kill the harvester then save for a med, instead of pooling to get an apc and ending the map in the first 2 minutes when the enemy team has no tanks is selfish?

 

jeez

[Joetorp]

The original game didn't have donations, remember?  Back then we all went after the harvy or tried to sneak into the enemy base!  In some respects donations ruined the game...

Joe

[StJohn Gumby]

trist, good point.

 

I guess your looking at this from  an oldskool point of view and in that respect you're right. I'd be happy to play 'pure mode' personally.

Once you introduce mods to a server the problem becomes finding a balance so they aren't overpowered.

 

donate only works fairly if everyone uses it properly. If one team has all the teamplayers the other team is fucked.

 

Joe, Sorry, you're quite right.

 

I forget how much older we both are (and wiser hopefully) and most young Renegade players fail to grasp the concept of teamwork.

 

I guess it helps if you've served.

 

Gumby

[Feda]

I see more teamwork in a group of guys attacking the harvester or rushing an enemy structure than in a first minute apc rush. A good 1 minute apc rush, so a full apc, is almost impossible to stop cuz of remotes, so basically if the enemy team doesn't donate for an apc as well I see it too difficult to not loose a building.

 

I'm not looking at it from an oldschool point of view, I'm just stating how many good maps end within 5 minutes just because there's a full apc rush coming in 50 seconds killing the ref/pp. I see no harm in adding a 5 minute time limit, if those ppl "teamwork" for the apc they can very well teamwork to inf rush as well I guess.

[Joetorp]

Gumbo,

I appreciate you coming to your senses!

Joe

[ehh]

my view of point is losing the chance to play a decent maps 4 times in a row because of people like great spanish who do it ever map and end it within 5 minutes, then having to play field/under for 2 hours, if i want to play in rencorner.

[StJohn Gumby]

Feda, it works both ways. If the general level of teamwork was higher it would be less of a problem. 

 

The best compromise I can think of is to disable donate for 2 or 3 mins (5 is too long). That way an APC rush is still viable before the whole opposing team mine up and have tanks. Not sure of the exact time, I'd have to work it out from the credit rate and time to first Harvy drop. Anyway, I guess Volcom or shai would have the final say on this.

 

trist, again I take your point. I'd rather play 20 - 30mins of Tomb or Volcano than 2hrs of Field or Under any time.

 

 

Gumbo,

I appreciate you coming to your senses!

Joe

 

Coming to my senses? Joe I wasn't drafted, I volunteered. Never had any sense, obviously

 

Gumby

[Sarah]

Well, I personally think this is a good idea to have it at 5 mins because it ruins the game if a main building is destroyed. Plus with RC being a marathon it can go on for hours which could possibly make people want to leave.

[Joetorp]

Gumbo,

I volunteered also! 

[Sean]

5minutes sounds like a good idea

[jks101]

People that can't use their donations wisely do not have a say in this topic.

 

9[Mon:11:46:47]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 06[Team] 04@OSTKJok3r: !d ehh 1500

[Mon:11:46:48]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 06[Team] 08&OSTKdrone: didnt u hear me?
09[Mon:11:46:51]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 06[Team] 04@OSTKJok3r: can you buy one?
[Mon:11:46:51]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 06[Team] 04Daniel: !lock
[Mon:11:46:52]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 06[Team] 08OSTKZeus: stop talking shit moron
[Mon:11:46:53]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 04Valer(Russia): lol inf rush
[Mon:11:46:58]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 7[KILL]04 bibixx killed OSTKZeus (Sakura/Ramjet Rifle VS. GDI Soldier/Automatic Rifle) [LD] 96.7
[Mon:11:46:58]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 06[Team] 08OSTKLeon6565: were u always on gdi drone o.0?
[Mon:11:46:59]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 04Valer(Russia): no money
[Mon:11:47:00]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 3[Crate]:04 BINGWBANG got the Money crate ( Infantry )
[Mon:11:47:02]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 06[Team] 08NeedBunkersTS: stop insults guys
[Mon:11:47:02]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 7[KILL]08 OSTKdrone killed ehh HEADSHOT! (Engineer/Shotgun VS. Engineer/Shotgun) [LD] 20.0
[Mon:11:47:04]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 06[Team] 08&OSTKdrone: no
[Mon:11:47:05]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 03[PURCHASE] ehh - Engineer
[Mon:11:47:07]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 14Host: [DA] bibixx has been promoted to the rank of "Colonel".
[Mon:11:47:07]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 7[KILL]04 bibixx killed pijavice HEADSHOT! (Sakura/Ramjet Rifle VS. Rocket Soldier Officer/Rocket Launcher(Weak)) [LD] 250.0
[Mon:11:47:07]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> [MULTIKILL] bibixx - Double Kill (2 successive kills).
[Mon:11:47:20]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 14Host: [bR Jukebox] Now Playing: moveit.mp3
[Mon:11:47:22]-[09/02/13] <%OSTKJames> !spectate james
[Mon:11:47:22]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> [Disconnect] 04pijavice(0788.101.108.3304) 00dbb35f9fc17022fd989a7cceac04636f.
[Mon:11:47:22]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 7[KILL]04 Valer(Russia) killed NeedBunkersTS (Proximity C4 VS. GDI Soldier/Automatic Rifle) [LD] 5.0
[Mon:11:47:28]-[09/02/13] <&RCAOW> 14Host: [DA] ehh committed suicide.

 

Anywho, bumping the timer up to 3 minutes would be fine. It'd get a chance to factor more of the infantry/attack harvester/crates in. 

 

Teamwork would be to defend the base from an APC rush.

[ehh]

that was appropriate at the time

[shaitan]

Killing the base within 2 minutes doesn't promote more players in the server. I'm not sure when that was changed(months ago), but I always had it set to 2 then 5 minutes.

[display]

i agree with Feda its worth a change maybe even to test it out .. why not try

[bad2gurlz]

^^

Let's just test it for few days if everything goes okay we keep it if not we return to the previous form.

[Volcom]

Donation limit set to 3 Minutes.

[bad2gurlz]

Gr8

[Feda]

Donation limit set to 3 Minutes.

Nice, thanks Volcom!