Kicked then Temp Mute by BeerBaron

[AlCapone]

Hello,

I am username "OneMG."

BeerBaron kicked me for what he called ____(something)___ inf. I put bombs on another player on my team as a complete joke at first because he seemed AFK and I'm a noob and wanted to see how many I could stack on top of each other, then when I had the bombs on him I blew him up. No one was damaged but the other player was kicked for ___(something)___ inf and then I was kicked by BeerBaron. I don't even know what the name of what I did was or that it was against the rules, and when I did it, I didn't even intend to blow him up. When I asked for an explanation and why we didn't even get a warning first, I got "!tempmute." It wasn't even the other players fault and I tried to explain this because he got kicked first and I didn't even understand why or what the term ____(something)___ inf meant. Then I got a "!tempmute" for what I was told was the rest of the game. It just happened now so I don't know if it is still standing or not but it was an abuse of mod power. No warning, no explanation before the kick, nothing. I tried to defend the other player and said no one should have been kicked, especially him. Then I got a"!tempmute" as a result.

Notwithstanding the fact that a mute is as bad as a ban because you can't even play renegade without communication, I am reporting the abuse of mod powers. Like I said before, not enough people play ren to be able to behave like BeerBaron did. There are things you can apparently do without even knowing they are against the rules and without even hurting anyone and to kick the first time someone does something like that without even knowing it is against the rules is just messed up. Then the "!tempmute" afterwards is, at the very least, disrespectful. It is also an abuse of mod rights. I'm reporting this because BeerBaron should lose his mod rights for his indiscretions. People should not be kicked or muted for fooling around and, in the process, inadvertently doing something alleged to be against the rules with no warning or previous explanation.

My Request: If I am still muted from the "!tempmute" please remove it. Also, please remove BeerBaron's mod capabilities. I look forward to hearing back, thank you and take care.

[AlCapone]

I'm no longer muted but I am still requesting BeerBaron have his mod capabilities removed for abuse of mod capabilities and an explanation and apology for whatever it is ___(something)___ inf is and being kicked for it.

I am requesting an apology in addition to the removal of BeerBaron's mod capabilities and an explanation of the ___(something)___ inf action.

[AlCapone]

Great, now no one is playing. I'm not muted or anything but a lot of other people are clearly muted or banned based on this section of the forum. If people who are willing to register to appeal mutes or bans and come here in the droves to do so, maybe its a hint to not mute/ban people for meaningless reasons. There are clearly a lot of people who WANT to play on Rencorner but otherwise can't or don't. Look at my temp mute, for instance. I planted bombs on a teammate out of boredom and he got kicked for it, then I got kicked for it, then I got muted for something for all I know was a made up reason called "___(something)___ inf" (all this by BeerBaron). I'd never even heard of this rule in passing, like I have with invisahugging (which I still don't know what this term means). "___(something)___ inf;" is that even a real thing? I seriously never even heard of it. And to have resulted in getting another person on my team kicked for it, and then getting myself kicked for it (which, even if this is a thing rather than just pretext for arbitrary kicking, still seems a$$ backwards - if anyone deserved a kick, which I am definitely not saying was the case, it was me, and only me), then getting muted.

Whatever this "___(something)___ inf" is, assuming it is even a real rule and BeerBaron didn't just make it up, it clearly isn't something people do as I've never even heard of it. A simple "don't do that, it is xyz, and it is against the rules" would have been enough. All I did was plant the remote bombs on some guy on top of each other to see how many I could stack on top of each other. It seemed as innocent as anything else, something I can't imagine there is a rule for given one person has to be AFK or willing to just stand around not moving for as long as the player I did it to did (he was AFK by the terminal); I can't imagine any one else has ever done it for any reason other then in jest. I've had people throw remote bombs on me, it's just funny; harmless and funny. The AFK player came back and I follow him and blew him up. He wasn't even close enough to anyone to cause any damage and I just figured it would be funny because other players could see the character blow up.

The point is, as harmless as what I did was, I got not only myself kicked for it, I got someone else kicked for it, and he got kicked before I even got kicked. He lacked any intent to do ANYTHING at all and he got kicked. I lacked the intent to do anything more that load him up with remote bombs, with no plans at the time I was doing it to have what I was doing having any tactical purpose whatsoever (remember, he was AFK at the time and standing by the terminal; I couldn't have possibly expected any tactical edge as to do have expected as such would have presupposed I knew he would even come back). So to be kicked for, in his case, not doing anything at all, and it my case, just being bored in a game with few players on a big map and just doing what I've seen people do all the time (i.e., just planting remote bombs on another player with no tactical plan or purpose), then to be given a "!tempmute" for questioning it and, more than anything, defending the other player who I don't even know (I can't even remember his name) out of guilt for getting him kicked for not even doing anything just creates a very bad atmosphere.

I'm sure I'm not alone in cutting back how often I even play Renegade for the reason that it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth thinking of all the abuse I have faced at the hands of (*some*) staff. I mean just look at me, I'm coming here asking for an answer and an apology for being treated like crap on Rencorner by someone who is entrusted with the ability to kick and mute players. For me to be doing so clearly shows I care enough to want to play, and yet, I don't play much at all anymore because I obviously want to avoid this feeling and the headache of trying to get things changed around here. I value my leisure time, and yet, I want to play here enough to come here and ask for this matter to be addressed. This type of behavior by staff is not something that is going to leave a feeling in Rencorner players of wanting to come rushing back to play again. It's not a welcoming atmosphere at all. And yet, people clearly want to play, hence people coming here for redress. There is a lot of potential of Rencorner to  be a more active server with individuals who are willing to contribute their leisure time and even donate if things were improved with respect to how individuals are treated by (some of the) staff. So what I am trying to say, and have said before (and other people have, and currently are echoing my sentiment) is that this is a game and people want to play it to have a good time. Please use common sense and good judgment to put yourself in the shoes of players that join when you are thinking about kicking people or muting people who you otherwise would want to join the server and be active/play on the server. If I'm not one of these people that you want playing on the server, fine, but what about the player that was kicked before I was even kicked for "___(something)___ inf." Forget what my intent was when I committed my actions, or whether I knew what I did was against the rules, that player didn't even do ANYTHING, he did NOTHING. Why was he kicked? And before I was even kicked. This kick/mute first, ask questions later type of behavior, and the fact that it is as acceptable to kick and mute people as it is here to have one of the most active topics on this forum dealing with these actions, is it any question why the server is empty now and suffers from a lack of players in general? It's an old game, but this type of behavior by BeerBaron and (some) other mods/admins really needs to be reconsidered and mods/admins really need to reflect on how their behavior is impacting the server and its activity. A lot of people who may very well otherwise have considered donating to keep the server alive, or even playing on the server more often are surely avoiding it now and our experience on Rencorner is definitely in the back of our heads when we consider how to spend our spare leisure time, whether consciously or unconsciously. So all I'm saying is put yourself in the shoes of players who aren't mods/admins; you guys may have been mods/admins for so long that this may be a hard thing to do, but as simply as I can put it, these actions do leave a bad taste in our mouth and when we see Renegade on our computer/desktop and Rencorner on the server list, we definitely don't feel as much a "part of the community" as we should given that this is a game with a small community of players. I'd go so far as to say many of us are left feeling that we are often abused by (some of) the staff on the server. I shouldn't have to be here telling you guys this and you guys should have some internal mechanism in place to prevent this but clearly you don't and given that I like playing Renegade I am left saying what I have said before, again and again. Things definitely don't appear to be improving and it seems like with less and less people playing, the reasons for kicking and muting become more and more absurd. I don't know if it is because these particular mods/admins feel they lack any authority/power if they don't exercise their authority/power, or what. This reason for being kicked should border on unbelievable to you guys, but it happened and it definitely deserves redress. Please handle this internally to prevent it from happening in the future. I don't think I should need to ask for an apology, but obviously an apology would be a first step in showing the community that this isn't the norm, that it isn't something that we should expect to be the norm, and that the matter will be handled however it is best seen fit by those in charge.

Thank you and I hope things improve so we can all enjoy a more pleasant experience here on Rencorner and feel better about spending our leisure time here and even contributing to the community.

Edited March 8, 2016 by AlCapone

[rzrbk1018]

Flaming infantry?

[DJEYEK]

Jesus...

Calm down Son, no need to write an Essay for such a Minor Problem.

BeerBaron will reply shortly to this situation as noone from us was involved, also it is not your Place to demand the Removal of Powers that have been given to a Person which we trust.

You said yourself you are a *Noob*, considering this i store the demanding of something under *u didnt know better*.

Wait for BeerBaron to reply.

[AlCapone]

That could be it. BTW, you look beautiful in your avatar man, that lipstick is SOOO U! U live nearby? Haha

[AlCapone]

But back on topic, I have never heard of flaming infantry. Albeit, I'm a total noob, but I've heard of invisihugging so many times that I'd have to imagine that if this was a rule that we were supposed to be expected to know, I would have heard it. I'm not saying it's not a rule, but a warning would have sufficed before kicking me. And while ignorance is no excuse, that wouldn't have even applied to the other guy. He was afk and he even changed characters at the terminal when he returned which, up until that point, I thought would have removed the bombs given I don't usually plant bombs on people. There wasn't really a damn thing he could have done to avoided being implicated in the alleged rule braking. Unfortunately for him, he got kicked before I even did. I only got kicked once I asked what infantry flaming was, and I was told in the kick message I received. When I got back, realizing that the other guy only got kicked because of my ignorance, I tried to defend him. I don't even know his username and I had no reason to do so for any other reason but to make it clear he didn't even have any part in my actions. He was just AFK and returned. Staff is very good at pulling up chat logs and, had I been disrespectful, someone would do so, I'm certain. I wasn't disrespectful though. I just felt as a member of the community, it was the right thing to do. He got kicked before me and he didn't even do anything. Now, I disagree with the fact that I was even kicked, but him being kicked was even more absurd. And then a temp mute for setting the record straight as I did, the whole situation was just abuse after abuse after abuse. I really can't justify any of it in my head other than BeerBaron just wanting to exercise his power and authority for the sake of exercising his power and authority at the expense of abusing individuals in the game. It's a problem here that really only seems to be getting worse the less players there are and it seems to be a vicious cycle that someone here need to address internally if they care about whether people come back to play renegade. Like I said, I want to shed light on the fact that I think one reason people are playing on Rencorner less often is the abuse by (some) staff. It is certainly the case with me. I hardly even play anymore and the abusive environment is the biggest reason for that. People have a limited amount of leisure time. I know that I would definitely donate and support a Renegade server if there was one that was not abusive to members of its community but the treatment here leave me not wanting to even play on Rencorner as much any more, yet alone support it. And before anyone says to "not play if you don't like it," realize I wouldn't be on here pleading for internal change and a stop to the abuse by staff if I didn't want to play, and neither would anyone else. We WANT to play, we WANT to support Rencorner, why else would we even post here if we didn't? This is a community, and that "if you don't like it, leave it" mindset is not the only option. People play less on Rencorner because of the abuse, sure, I admit I am one of them, but I like to think that it doesn't serve anyone for everyone to just pack up and leave Rencorner/Renegade, just look at the server now? Its not good and I wish more people would play. That's why I am only suggesting some internal handling of this behavior by (some) staff. I wouldn't know if someone admonished BeerBaron, we wouldn't know if BeerBaron and some staff were admonished for this behavior, everyone can save face while a few people were just given a subtle admonishment and told to reevaluate how they exercise their power and authority. We would all appreciate this. Thank you.

[shaitan]

From now on post one paragraph tops describing it. The rest wont even be read most likely.

Lovely link to the rules:

No Flaming Vehicles or Flaming Characters. Remoting your vehicle so an sbh does not steal it is acceptable.

I read the logs of all that. The one part that stands out is: [22:54:38] <&RCAOW> @BeerBaron: no james, u tried to ali ahkba me

That does imply James was going to blow him up.

 

For all that, the mute shouldn't have happened that quick.

[Goztow]

A mute for this seems a bit rough. Wait for beerbaron to reply and give his side of the story. 

[AlCapone]

I just glanced at the rules up until the flaming infantry part. With that little information and the usage of these "terms of the trade," for lack of a better name, I doubt reading the rules alone would have even helped. I didn't even know what a flaming infantry was after the innocent player I implicated was kicked for "flaming infantry." It wasn't until after I asked what it was and implicated myself that I knew what it was and was immediately kicked. The rules themselves only state that "flaming infantry" is forbidden but it is ok for vehicles to protect against sbh. Even had I read the rules, I wouldn't have known what I did was wrong. Plus, the player was AFK and I don't even know him, I didn't know when or if he would return and just did the stacking off bombs on him out of boredom at the time I was planting them, not tactically. Like I said before, "you did xyz, don't do it again" would have sufficed; neither of us needed a kick, especially the other player that not only lacked intent, but didn't even carry out any actions at all. Additionally, temp muting me for trying to set the record straight that the other player was AFK and had no part in my actions was very harsh (actions, which as I stated, lacked any tactical intent at the time I was planting). All this clearly amounted to the rampant abuse of power and authority I'm referring to. I see there have been some words of admonishment and I appreciate it. Hopefully things will get better for all our sake so more people feel respected and a part of the community and continue to play and contribute to the server. Thank you for taking this matter seriously.

[BeerBaron]

james ran at me with a sak covered in remotes so I kicked him before they could detonate. obviously they were some1 elses remotes so I looked around and found u. you got qkicked. after knowingly breaking the rules and feeding me several lines of BS to rationalize why you didnt deserve a slap on the wrist you got muted for the remaining 16mins of the game.

 

I havent read a single word you posted but I'm sure I dont care. At the very most you punishment was losing whatever your basic engineer was carrying atm and being silenced for 1 map that was timed. please respond with 800 words as to why that was unjust.

 

 

[AlCapone]

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knowingly breaking the rules

I DIDN'T know what I did was against the rules at ANY point, until AFTER I was kicked and you explained it.

When I planted the bombs, I didn't even have any tactical intent. The player was AFK by the terminal and I don't even know who he is, yet alone if he would return. I did it out of pure boredom.

Then I got temp muted for making it clear that the other player didn't even act, yet alone act with intent. I got temp muted for that.

I came here hoping for an apology but your clearly too out of touch with what went on. Ignorance is no excuse for my actions, but to say I knowingly broke the rules is false. I didn't even have a tactical intent when I first planted the bombs on the player unknown to me. I had no reason to know whether or if he would return. He got kicked and he didn't even do anything. I got kicked and anyone who knows me from the little I play knows I'm a noob; just looking at my kill to death ratio in any game will tell you that. I've never even heard of infantry flaming, not even in passing. I don't even know what invisihugging is, but at least I've heard of that before. With all this, you can't really think I knowingly broke the rules. A simple stern warning would have sufficed, along with the explanation you gave only after kicking me. Then temp muting me for defending this other player who I don't even know but who didn't even do anything was absurd. All of this was absurd.

The cliff notes to what I said in my previous message was to stop abusing players in the community. A lot of us would otherwise being playing more on Rencorner and even contributing/donating to the server if the abuse didn't leave such a bad taste in our mouth. Please knock it off. This is a small community and we should all otherwise be happy to be a part of it and supporting it absent the abuse from staff. The behavior by staff is leaving only the staff feeling as part of the community and everyone else feeling like outsiders; it hurts how active users on the server are and the pool of people otherwise willing to donate to keep Renegade active. Please stop the abuse. Thank you.

[shaitan]

Topic is locked and done.

[Manuel857]

Just one more thing I want to add to this topic:

[12:06:36] (BeerBaron) [21:57] <RCAOW> 10[Team] 04OneMG: ur a moving bomb
[12:06:36] (BeerBaron) [21:57] <RCAOW> 10[Team] 04fscjames: yea haha
[12:06:36] (BeerBaron) [21:57] <RCAOW> 10[Team] 04OneMG: i will blow u up if u go near them

 

You said: "When I planted the bombs, I didn't even have any tactical intent. The player was AFK by the terminal and I don't even know who he is, yet alone if he would return. I did it out of pure boredom."

You said a complete lie according to the logs I just posted. I know this whole thing has been dealt with, but please, don't try and lie to us again.